tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post8767646733675394573..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Pope Francis' closing statement to the Synod. Worth the read!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42280572810269961862014-10-28T00:05:50.290-07:002014-10-28T00:05:50.290-07:00Sharon, good question. I think he is referring to ...Sharon, good question. I think he is referring to those Catholics (and I've seen them plenty of times and talked to them and debated them) who really do wish to hold to a Javert-like inflexibility to anyone deemed "less than" pure either liturgically, morally, etc. They do not have a loving heart towards folks who are not quite where they are on the journey (and it takes some folks longer than others... I've see it, I've lived it). It's sort of the "if I have faith to move mountains but have not love, I have nothing" situation, and those who are truly Pharisaical. I have seen it, and when I see it, it's harsh and ugly, and I do believe it drives souls away, rather than drawing them in. I assume that is what he meant. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53085897278294296222014-10-27T19:54:30.425-07:002014-10-27T19:54:30.425-07:00Late thoughts, Leila. Here is one thing that I wo...Late thoughts, Leila. Here is one thing that I wonder. About whom do you think the Holy Father was speaking when he referred to traditionalists? What, to Pope Francis, do you think represents hostile inflexibility? Obviously I see Cardinal Kasper as one who would bind untreated wounds, but I can't say that I know who fits the opposite description. What are your thoughts on that?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-61020328352034011642014-10-22T20:24:28.806-07:002014-10-22T20:24:28.806-07:00Sharon, I can't disagree with Archbishop Chapu...Sharon, I can't disagree with Archbishop Chaput. The confusion was great, and it's unfortunate. I wish it had played out differently. But I do like what Pope Francis has to say here at the closing. It's sad that the dissenting faction got to play the media and the public the way they did. I didn't like that at all. I am glad that the majority of bishops straightened that out in the end. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-21568482959925100082014-10-22T15:51:44.542-07:002014-10-22T15:51:44.542-07:00Leila, what do you think of stories like this one?...Leila, what do you think of stories like this one?<br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2014/10/chaput-clergy-might-stop-signing-marriage-licenses-as-principled-resistance/<br /><br />Most importantly: “I was very disturbed by what happened” at the synod, Chaput said. “I think confusion is of the devil, and I think the public image that came across was one of confusion."<br /><br />Do you think it's wrong of Archbishop Chaput to make comments like that? Do you think it comes across as critical of the Holy Father? I think people see Pope Francis as being responsible for the confusion, since he chose such controversial Cardinals to have important roles in the Synod. I am at the point where I'd rather see upbeat attitudes like yours. A strong positive that I saw coming from Pope Francis is the placement of the Cardinal Napier of South Africa on the committee that wrote the final report of the Synod. I think that sent a strong message to Cardinal Kasper and was important in the vast improvement of the final report over the mid-term draft.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-31732971795051502762014-10-22T15:28:29.305-07:002014-10-22T15:28:29.305-07:00May Tim, Bernadette and their children feel the st...May Tim, Bernadette and their children feel the strength of God's grace in the coming days. We will remember them in our family prayers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-40455872401142137002014-10-22T06:21:45.089-07:002014-10-22T06:21:45.089-07:00And if I may. I know a there are some real prayer...And if I may. I know a there are some real prayer warriors on this blog. Please pray for our friends who are going through fire right now. Tim and Bernadette are parents to six kids (youngest is 7) and he is coming home on hospice care with cancer. tough days ahead and who knows what kind of galvanizing work God is doing here. Please pray for peace through this trial. ThanksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32687331693757392832014-10-22T06:14:40.708-07:002014-10-22T06:14:40.708-07:00I haven't been following to closely but I see ...I haven't been following to closely but I see the Pope simply letting light in the room so arguments can be made in the open and not whispered into like minded ears. If a leader announces " I'm all ears" and he gives everybody cover by saying " you may be right", then everybody truly spills their guts and promotes what they believe. That in turn brings out passionate counter arguments. In that setting nobody can hide behind their alliances and friends. I think the Pope is not afraid of making a mess as long as it somehow brings more people to the Truth in the end. Most people it seams, have this idea that all the rules of the church originate from a bunch of old men voting and are used to the idea of men deciding what is true or not. Well, Jesus is the only problem. Once everything is vented and hashed out only the Gospel is left and Jesus standing there saying " nice try, you weenies" ( and the Pope just shrugs his shoulders its'because Jesus' church). No doubt the Pope understands that the truth will prevail and all who have ears to hear may hear the Truth with more clarity. I believe the end result will be that the world will see the full spectrum of arguments as to why we must make sin ok, only to have Truth left standing tall like the lighthouse. Now that, might just stir some souls. <br />All through history the Church has faced impossible challenges and this is no different. There has always been clergy pleading from the pastoral point of view that the problem of sin is endless and exhausting and "something must be done!" Man has been trying to justify sin from the beginning. Good thing we have "the Way, Truth and Life" protected by the Holy Spirit and not man. The Pope understands as well as anyone that convincing someone that a sin is not really a sin doesn't help them one bit and will never work. I think we know how this ends. Jesus' church will remain Jesus' church no matter how hard the world tries to change it. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46096792058070549812014-10-21T20:26:45.243-07:002014-10-21T20:26:45.243-07:00Should be more clear: Kasper had to concede the li...Should be more clear: Kasper had to concede the lie, then apologize (sort of) when he was caught. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-45956434829144934502014-10-21T20:25:32.534-07:002014-10-21T20:25:32.534-07:00Johanne, I was not thrilled with the posturing of ...Johanne, I was not thrilled with the posturing of the more "liberal" factions there, who would (let's face it) like to see a change in the moral law and Church teaching, and I was not thrilled at how they were able to manipulate the draft and its release. Lots written about that. The majority of the bishops were incredibly upset by those shenanigans. And I was not pleased that Cardinal Kasper insulted the African bishops (who have literally mopped up the blood of the martyrs in their flocks), then lied about it, then had to back up that lie when an audio tape of the interview was presented. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-13584862733264217162014-10-21T20:17:28.000-07:002014-10-21T20:17:28.000-07:00Leila
What are you "not thrilled about?"...Leila<br />What are you "not thrilled about?" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-16174023370420587842014-10-21T10:50:51.942-07:002014-10-21T10:50:51.942-07:00The Holy Father's statement is beautiful and c...The Holy Father's statement is beautiful and challenging. I especially love this: "reminding the pastors that their first duty is to nourish the flock – to nourish the flock – that the Lord has entrusted to them, and to seek to welcome – with fatherly care and mercy, and without false fears – the lost sheep. I made a mistake here. I said welcome: [rather] to go out and find them." What a challenge to priests.<br /><br />At the same time... much of what I've been reading, and I follow bloggers who are faithful to and love the Church, is tending to be very negative. The mid-term report was horrendous. But I think Pope Francis recognizes the aspects of the report that, if followed, would weaken the Church when he warns against "a destructive tendency to goodness [it. buonismo]... that treats the symptoms and not the causes and the roots." That is the "goodness" found in Catholics who march at gay rights parades, as the Catholic teachers did in Toronto. They think they are showing love by showing some kind of support, yet by their actions they ignore the causes and roots of a sin that often has deeply painful causes and roots. They are, in fact, celebrating a wound. I am glad to see that Pope Francis recognizes that such "goodness" only seems to be good, but in reality avoids giving people what they truly need.<br /><br />The most encouraging thing I've read has ironically come from Michael Voris, a commenter I normally avoid because he just brings too much bad news. I think anyone who is finding himself or herself truly anxious over the direction of the Church, and who finds the anxiety is much worse after the Synod, would do well to watch this video, entitled, "Let's Just Say".<br /><br />http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/vort.php<br /><br />It is a good reminder that, even if things really are as bad as they could possibly be, we are still members of the Church founded by Jesus Christ, and the crosses that we carry for the Church can be used by our Lord for the benefit of His Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-13722887390901006772014-10-19T15:16:57.702-07:002014-10-19T15:16:57.702-07:00Joseph, Amen! Jesus commanded us not to worry. I&#...Joseph, Amen! Jesus commanded us not to worry. I'm not thrilled with a lot of what went on in the synod, but I'm trusting that God will use all of it for a greater good. At the very least, it's amazing how the media and the world is focusses on the "old, outdated, irrelevant" Catholic Church. ;)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9956426707690868122014-10-19T14:57:11.401-07:002014-10-19T14:57:11.401-07:00Leila, I hope you're right and there were no i...Leila, I hope you're right and there were no ill motives on the Pope's part, but I certainly can't see what you see in the speech transcribed above. At Mass today (at the Church of the Assumption in Nashville, TN -- I'm here for a conference) the priest used the phrase "don't worry" several times in his homily and I have been carrying that with me. It reminds me of the Padre Pio quote, "Pray, hope, and don't worry!" Worrying about the aftermath of the synod isn't going to do me any good, so I'll try to remind myself of that saint's good advice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576287010088389911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44364967063348875722014-10-19T10:19:06.826-07:002014-10-19T10:19:06.826-07:00I have been practicing fb abstinence; staying away...I have been practicing fb abstinence; staying away from my more luke-warmish Catholics friend's walls regarding this stuff and absolutely staying away from the media's take. It works wonders, and the story of Jesus asleep on the boat during the storm.... thank you Marie M, perfect picture for me to keep in my mind. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-73173592793234890392014-10-19T00:07:21.824-07:002014-10-19T00:07:21.824-07:00Marie, exactly! And Joseph, I can't agree. I d...Marie, exactly! And Joseph, I can't agree. I don't assign those motives to the Holy Father. To call him dishonest is troubling. Would I have conducted things as he did? Nope, but I am not the Vicar of Christ, so that is not my call. I trust the Spirit to work as He wills to work. And, I don't ever trust the media. ;) Not now, not during the pontificate of JPII, not during the pontificate of Benedict (remember what they did with his condom comments?). Do you think the media was any different at any other time in the past 40 years? They will always distort, lie, play ignorant, push their agenda.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-87515007064927237272014-10-19T00:00:13.549-07:002014-10-19T00:00:13.549-07:00As Christopher West said ... it reminds him of the...As Christopher West said ... it reminds him of the storm with Jesus asleep in the boat. We just need to trust and keep close to Our Lord. God is a better "chess" player than all of us and he will see to it that the Barque is safe. Trust.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14821158096729921102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50411576067889559152014-10-18T22:02:02.907-07:002014-10-18T22:02:02.907-07:00This is such a fiasco. I'm trying to trust th...This is such a fiasco. I'm trying to trust the Pope here, but what kind of a weaselly speech is this? His carefully-picked administrators were caught red-handed trying to manipulate the Synod, and sabotage the teaching of the faith. Instead of saying "no more of this!" what does he do? Dishonestly imply "ok, we were caught, but the other side is just as bad" and then promise to guarantee us another 12 months of chaos. He knows what the media is going to do for the next 12 months: they're going to tell every Catholic and non-Catholic in the world that the formerly absolute prohibitions on adultery and sodomy are now "open questions" that the bishops will reconsider and vote on sometime next year.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576287010088389911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50949949712923044982014-10-18T20:04:06.683-07:002014-10-18T20:04:06.683-07:00Kristi, I never would even begin to think of you a...Kristi, I never would even begin to think of you as a Catholic outsider! You are as Catholic as anyone I know! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67206682804159993932014-10-18T19:47:54.441-07:002014-10-18T19:47:54.441-07:00This is great! I've been seeing a whole lot of...This is great! I've been seeing a whole lot of the "Destructive tendency toward goodness" lately in certain Catholic circles...in most, actually. I know it's a backlash against the big, bad monster of legalism, but it's just as frustrating from the outside looking in. And yes, I still consider myself very much a Catholic outsider. Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341613233598062262noreply@blogger.com