tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post8309517252293507968..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: O.M.G.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-39845149726731820762013-01-29T14:59:44.612-07:002013-01-29T14:59:44.612-07:00They took the video down.They took the video down.Lucky7https://www.blogger.com/profile/13610950475578221723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20709067218182104022013-01-29T08:49:59.302-07:002013-01-29T08:49:59.302-07:00Absolutely, Johanne. You are in my prayers. Absolutely, Johanne. You are in my prayers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-16093457276100922532013-01-29T01:21:40.755-07:002013-01-29T01:21:40.755-07:00@Sharon
If you're still around:
I'm not up...@Sharon<br />If you're still around:<br />I'm not up to discussing this more on this public forum. Perhaps at another time. Undoubtedly the subject will keep coming up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-45927211442374809982013-01-28T18:18:29.320-07:002013-01-28T18:18:29.320-07:00...and not procreative even in its "orderedne...<i>...and not procreative even in its "orderedness"</i> That was awkward wording!!! I should have said, "...and not <i>ordered</i> toward its natural end, procreation".<br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20650615636906197372013-01-28T18:15:57.203-07:002013-01-28T18:15:57.203-07:00But I don't agree at all, that no other sexual... <i>But I don't agree at all, that no other sexual activity should be allowed. (I guess that's another topic, though.)</i><br /><br />I think, Johanne, you are saying that you think that morally certain things like mutual masturbation or orgasm without intercourse should be allowed. You are right that we disagree, as that sort of puts us back on the "sex is for gratification" not unification… and not procreative even in its "orderedness". That leads us away from a proper reverence (and sacredness) of the act which creates new life. I know people do not like that the standard for the Church is the very highest and most noble, but in fact, that is what Truth is: It's the highest good, and it's for our own good, and the good of the babies who will or won't be created. To deviate from that norm or standard does not lead to the flourishing of human society. We will always, as a human race, fall short of the ideal, but we don't jettison the ideal. <br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-28338716088905569952013-01-28T18:08:18.198-07:002013-01-28T18:08:18.198-07:00What is a greater evil than the deliberate murder ...<i>What is a greater evil than the deliberate murder of an innocent child at behest of his/her mother?<br /><br />I'm honestly asking, because I can't think of one. </i><br /><br />JoAnna took the words right out of my mouth. I know it's sensitive for you Johanne, with your history of abortion after rape. But abortion does not undo the rape. It can never undo the rape. The only thing it does is take an innocent life. How can you be absolutely sure that letting your child live (and either raising him/her or placing him/her for adoption) would have been worse than abortion? For the child, we know it could not have been worse. Help me understand.<br /><br />And we must keep in mind that the 55 million children put to death under Roe v. Wade were overwhelmingly not the product of a rape. That is a high price to pay, and a lot of blood and death, to make sure all folks feel comfortable at all times. It has had the opposite effect, actually. Abortion has brutalized countless women. I know so many women, personally, who still cannot even speak of it publicly. And I remember one young woman (whom I have wanted to post on, but don't have the fortitude yet), who was so broken… during our chance meeting, and subsequent phone calls, years ago. I have never gotten over how traumatized this woman was. Anorexia, suicidal ideations. The clinic lied to her on every level (I even referred her to an attorney). It haunts me to this day. Her name was Gina, if you all could pray for her. It was before I had internet, she moved away to get away from the memories, and I lost touch with her. I think about her and I don't know if she is okay.<br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-10246453398374154002013-01-28T17:58:10.569-07:002013-01-28T17:58:10.569-07:00Johanne, maybe you have been more specific in oth...Johanne, maybe you have been more specific in other discussions on Leila's blog but I have to ask, could you explain what you mean by "prolifers as being totally unwilling to look at the pain their movement causes". I know you indicated that it can be too painful to talk about but if someone says a movement I am part of is causing pain, it would certainly be helpful to know how it is causing pain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-77865146237601764892013-01-28T17:16:51.367-07:002013-01-28T17:16:51.367-07:00Yes, every sexual encounter must end with intercou...Yes, every sexual encounter must end with intercourse, but that isn't the same thing as couples <i>intending</i> to procreate with each sexual act.<br /><br />"Possibility" is a better term, but it can imply that couples are required to have sex during the fertile period of the woman's cycle.<br /><br />I would just say that each act has to be open to the possibility of new life, however remote that possibility may be. But couples don't have to have any specific intention other than to be open to God's will for their lives.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-25483829476199652182013-01-28T17:08:47.242-07:002013-01-28T17:08:47.242-07:00I thought that Leila said that every sexual encoun...I thought that Leila said that every sexual encounter has to end with intercourse--that it's not allowed to engage in other forms of sexual intimacy without having intercourse. Am I mistaken?<br /><br />Maybe I should have said that all sexual activity has to have the possibility of procreation.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-24863212842111008812013-01-28T16:56:58.705-07:002013-01-28T16:56:58.705-07:00I have a lot of sympathy with the Catholic positio...<i>I have a lot of sympathy with the Catholic position that intercourse should only be used for procreative intent,</i><br /><br />That's not the Catholic position. All the Church requires is that each instance of the marital act is open to new life being created (that is, that couple does not perform an action before, during, or after intercourse to prevent pregnancy). <br /><br />The Church does not teach that couples must intend to procreate with each instance of the marital act.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-85334241354174777142013-01-28T16:55:11.830-07:002013-01-28T16:55:11.830-07:00Also, the video is worse than lame. It's reall...Also, the video is worse than lame. It's really gross.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-34273789446765138392013-01-28T16:55:03.109-07:002013-01-28T16:55:03.109-07:00There are greater evils than abortion
What is a g...<i> There are greater evils than abortion</i><br /><br />What is a greater evil than the deliberate murder of an innocent child at behest of his/her mother?<br /><br />I'm honestly asking, because I can't think of one.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-18888705314012467262013-01-28T16:54:39.093-07:002013-01-28T16:54:39.093-07:00it is the reality that you support
And there are ...<i>it is the reality that you support</i><br /><br />And there are horrific realities that the pro-life position supports as well (at least will not confront), and in my opinion, uniformly sweeps under the rug and rationalizes. Neither position is an easy one and both sides don't acknowledge of the pain of the other. I don't want to deny the pain of grieving postabortive women and others scarred by abortion, because it's important for us to know the possible consequences of our viewpoints. I experience prolifers as being totally unwilling to look at the pain their movement causes and sometimes it's too difficult for me to dialog about it. <br /><br />I have a lot of sympathy with the Catholic position that intercourse should only be used for procreative intent, or at least where a pregnancy would not be felt as a tragedy. But I don't agree at all, that no other sexual activity should be allowed. (I guess that's another topic, though.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44081376190107438242013-01-28T16:42:16.540-07:002013-01-28T16:42:16.540-07:00Hi Sharon.
I read that post and have read many man...Hi Sharon.<br />I read that post and have read many many stories like it, as I have spent a great deal of time on pro-life blogs attempting to understand what leads people to have that position. But I have stories of my own, and have heard many others that make it impossible for me to think that abortion should never be an option. There are greater evils than abortion; I know that personally. I suppose where I agree with the pro-life movement is that in an ideal world there would be no abortion because there would be no unwanted pregnancies (understanding, of course, that just because a pregnancy isn't planned doesn't mean it isn't wanted.) I don't expect you to understand. Best to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6653241428635376452013-01-27T23:29:20.177-07:002013-01-27T23:29:20.177-07:00Johanne, I hope you are still following this discu...Johanne, I hope you are still following this discussion. The lame (at best) video featured in Leila's post does not affect your pro-choice position. You question whether violent pro-lifers - they are living oxymorons - would cause us to turn away from the pro-life movement. I've been thinking about your comment, wondering if people in the future will judge those who killed abortionists as harshly as they will judge the abortionists themselves, and I have to say, I doubt it. Let me show you why.<br /><br />The video does not make you think of leaving behind your pro-choice views, but I wonder if the words of a post-abortive woman might have an affect on you. This is from Leila's Quick Takes post, which she put up yesterday. The woman who is writing is waiting in a room for an abortionist to come and and perform an abortion on her (more accurately, on her child). She lifts the sheet off of the vacuum aspirator that the abortionist will be using. Her description follows. Warning - it is graphic. You do seem to have a tender heart, so it will be hard to read. But it is the reality that you support:<br /><br /><i>The glass container was half full and splattered with blood. Even the tube that fed into the container was crusted with blood. What I saw inside the collection container defies belief, little baby parts swimming in a bloody muck. All those graphic photos you’ve ever seen of tiny dismembered arms and legs are accurate. Only this wasn’t just one set of tiny arms and legs… this was more than I could count. This wasn’t just one baby that was aborted and some careless worker forget to remove from the room. This looked like all the babies that had been aborted that day. All together in one glass container, swimming in a gruesome soup of blood and bits. They hadn’t even bothered to clean the equipment between patients and I suddenly realized they had every intention of using the same filthy equipment on me.</i><br /><br />I would be very interested in your comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-10397360465302537242013-01-26T10:47:06.008-07:002013-01-26T10:47:06.008-07:00Copezio,
The purpose of an abortion is to ensure ...Copezio,<br /><br />The purpose of an abortion is to ensure the death of the fetus not to "terminate a pregnancy". A pregnancy can be ended without causing the death of the child. I think the latest child was 20 weeks. So a woman who did not realize that she was pregnant till she was 22 weeks, could terminate her pregnancy and the child could live. A failed abortion is a fetus that has survived and has been expulsed from the womb. Which is what lead to the born-alive infant act. Why did pro choicers fight against the born-alive infant act if it only about the right of controlling one's body? The child is out of the woman's body.<br /><br />Abortions are done because a woman doesn't want to have a child, not because she has problem with a fetus using and affecting her body. It is a temporary state and the body is functioning as it was meant to do. <br /><br /> This argument of bodily autonomy hides the reasons why there is a debate in the first place. It has nothing to do with a woman having bodily autonomy as it is simply an argument to be able to kill the fetus. This argument makes it OK for a woman to kill her child after giving birth if the umbilical has not been cut. Which has happened. <br />Chantalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184616275088281652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-74214966094104705242013-01-25T21:14:32.598-07:002013-01-25T21:14:32.598-07:00Copezio,
A few things, science tells us that a f...Copezio, <br /><br />A few things, science tells us that a fetus is a human being, just like a baby, a teenager, a middle-aged adult, and a senior citizen. They are just different stages of the life cycle. <br /><br />Second, while it is true that any one can meet a baby's most basic physical needs, study after study of orphanages shows that meeting a baby's physical needs is not enough. In order to thrive, a baby must thoroughly bond with small number of care-givers (1-3) through constant interaction. Otherwise the baby may have all sorts of developmental problems (physical, mental, and emotional). This is why so many countries switched from orphanages to foster care systems. A born baby is WAY more demanding than an unborn baby. However, I don't think you believe that it is permissible to kill a born baby. <br /><br />Third, science tells us that gender is usually congruent with the genitalia one is born with and discrepancies are usually a result of hormonal variation, often an imbalance of estrogen, testosterone, and/or cortisol during various development stages in the womb and during key times in child development. It is not just nurture, but very much nature. There are vast differences in the neurological development of males and females in general.<br /><br />But, let's turn the tables a bit. When do you think human life begins? The term fetus refers to the developmental stage in utero from 10 weeks gestation until birth at approximately 40 weeks. So, when does it turn from a potential human into an actual human? Only when it passes through the birth canal or is removed from the abdomen? In which case is it ok to kill a fetus at any moment before that point? <br /><br />For instance, what if I get pregnant and decide while I am in labor at 40 weeks that I really don't want a child after all? If I ask the doctor to kill the fetus an hour before I am fully dilated and the baby begins to push through the birth canal, then do you think that is perfectly moral and acceptable?<br /><br />Now the child is just as fully formed the hour before birth as the hour after birth (actually it's just as fully formed weeks before but just puts on extra weight the last few weeks). Do you really believe that while in the womb it is just a "potential human" but by some magic, an hour later it turns into an actual human?<br />Barbara C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13066983078171521691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60404389065461746642013-01-25T07:54:22.555-07:002013-01-25T07:54:22.555-07:00Why doesn't God just pop in and say all be Cat...<i>Why doesn't God just pop in and say all be Catholics?</i><br /><br />Well, Jesus (God) did "pop in" to history, about 2,000 years ago, and stayed with us for 33 years. And he founded the Church. <br /><br />But if you are asking why he doesn't command us or coerce us or compel us to choose his way? It's because God is a Lover, not a rapist. He gave us a great gift of free will, and the dignity to choose love, choose God, or not. If we didn't have free will, we could not love (love is a choice, and one must be free to make that choice, or else we are robots, slaves -- God didn't want to enslave us, He loves us). <br /><br />You are asking all the right questions, Copezio! I hate to give you another link, but if you want to start from the beginning, start here, and there are the basic answers you might be seeking:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-i-never-learned-part-i.html<br /><br />And, at some point, look up at the tabs above, and click "Little Teachings". It might be interesting for you to read through some of those topics someday, as they catch your eye.<br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-83250902998289378572013-01-25T07:46:55.097-07:002013-01-25T07:46:55.097-07:00Copezio, Catholics are not "creationists"...Copezio, Catholics are not "creationists" like many Protestant evangelicals, because although the story in Genesis tells us truths about our first parents, Adam and Eve, it is not a science book about how the world began. It's a story of salvation history. So, Catholics may believe in a six-day creation if they would like, but I don't know any who do. Science tells us a lot about how old the world is, and I believe it to be millions of years old. Even the very earliest Christian writers and Fathers do not have us believe in a strict creationism. Here is a short piece to explain more on that:<br /><br />http://www.catholic.com/tracts/creation-and-genesis<br /><br />No, it does not mean that one automatically goes to hell if one does not believe in God, but it certainly is not a spiritually advantageous thing to be an atheist! Hell is certainly a great risk. However, again, we are not like certain sets of Protestants who say that anyone who does not strictly know and believe in Jesus is going straight to hell. That is NOT the Catholic position. I apologize for more links, but I wrote it all out, simply, in this post:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2011/12/can-non-catholics-be-saved.html<br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-73189403615783316312013-01-25T07:16:09.188-07:002013-01-25T07:16:09.188-07:00So then how old is the world do you believe that i...So then how old is the world do you believe that it is millions and millions years old or a few thousands years old which many Christians in New Zealand believe denying the scientific evidence that says its older, also what's the view on dinosaurs again Christians believe that we all lived together happily and that they wouldn't have been trying to eat us rather we were friends which again I don't even see as slightly plausible.<br />Also if you don't believe in God does that mean you automatically go to hell? The Christians who are not Catholics do they go to hell? Why doesn't God just pop in and say all be Catholics?<br />Copeziohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05042718069922869894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12908873643033286682013-01-24T23:15:45.462-07:002013-01-24T23:15:45.462-07:00As for Catholicism and Christianity, I really do u...As for Catholicism and Christianity, I really do urge you to get Lewis' <i>Mere Christianity</i>. It is a true classic, and written by a former atheist (a true intellectual). Again, it all boils down to Jesus Christ and who he was/is. Investigate that. Did you read this post that I published recently, from my friend who went through all the religions looking for truth? It's an interesting read (she was a pro-choice feminist, too):<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2013/01/from-radical-feminist-to-devout-catholic.html<br /><br />As for Peter: The successors of Peter are known, by name, since his day (just like a list of presidents, for example). It is known history, a known line. The Pope does not talk to God in the sense that you are thinking, nor is he sinless. The Pope is simply the earthly head of Christ's Church, sort of Christ's vicar if you will, the touchstone of unity for Christians. The Holy Spirit protects the Church's teaching body (i.e., the Pope and the body of Bishops, who are the Apostles successors) from teaching error on issues of Faith and morals. That is why such teachings are the same now as they have been since the founding of the Church. <br /><br />I think you would find this post interesting and explanatory, as well as the links at the bottom:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2012/06/pope-fact-infallible-does-not-mean.html<br /><br />As for Protestants, they did not exist until 1,500 years into Christianity (a mere 500 years ago), when a rebellious priest, Martin Luther, started his own church, based on two heresies (heresies have been around since the beginning of the Church, but Luther had the benefit of a printing press and ripe political conditions for his heresies to be widely disseminated). Protestants generally don't believe in a visible Church. Luther and other Reformers rejected the authority of the Pope and Bishops and declared that they could find their own truth in the Bible, by personally interpreting it… something unheard of in Christianity, as the Bible belongs within the Church and is not intended to be personally interpreted by individual believers. That is why there are today tens of thousands of Protestant denominations all teaching different (and contradictory) things. This is what happens when people leave the Church (founded on Peter) and the promised guidance of the Holy Spirit. It's very sad, this break in Church unity. However, the Catholic Church (Catholic simply means "universal") marches on, still proclaiming the same Faith, still sanctifying with the same Sacraments as always.<br /><br />Why don't Protestants want to be in the real Church? Well, they don't think a "church" (visible, with a hierarchical leadership appointed by Christ) exists corporally. Their paradigm, for the 500 years of their existence and separation from the Church, is totally different than the Catholic paradigm of 2,000 years. But it's always wonderful when Protestant Christians discover the historical, true Church, and come back to the fullness of the Faith. <br /><br />And, your grandmother certainly lives on. :) Not myth, but truth. The human soul is immortal. Death is not the end (and that is not said merely for comfort, because the reality of hell is still very much an option for those who choose it by their actions and dark hearts).<br /><br />I would try one prayer, and ask it sincerely: "Jesus, I want to know if you are True. Please reveal yourself to me." It might not be an instantaneous answer, but persevere. <br /><br />And read the Gospels (the first four books of the New Testament), but always say a prayer for understanding first. Peace be with you! There is nothing more exciting than someone who is seeking!<br /><br />(Also, stick around this blog and keep asking questions. What can it hurt?)<br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1411759150300758222013-01-24T23:15:18.158-07:002013-01-24T23:15:18.158-07:00But see, you are acting like the unborn human bein...But see, you are acting like the unborn human being is an interloper or an aggressor, when she is exactly where she was placed, and she is in the very vessel that exists to house her, protected and nurtured by her own mother. How can you make her the villain, when she is the weak one, in need of protection? Again, are the strong allowed to kill the weak? What is the principle there?<br /><br />A newborn baby cannot expect anything, either. Does she have a right to live? Or do the strong have a right to kill the weak who cannot form expectations yet?<br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-61877340101153003682013-01-24T22:26:05.301-07:002013-01-24T22:26:05.301-07:00I am agnostic I want to believe in God and Heaven ...I am agnostic I want to believe in God and Heaven and that my beloved grandmother is up there somewhere watching over me telling me off for eating in the street that a big no no in her book being able to see what I have done since she died, however there's a louder voice in my brain that says that's completely insane thinking and that once your dead there's no heaven its entirely a social construct to force to conform to rules made up men to control other people's lives and to give help people work through there fear of death because death isn't scary if there's some where to go after this that you still after death. I have gone to many churches, temples and halls. I have read the bible, even tried praying a few times, I have participated in many Hindu festivals due to having a sister (not biological) whose a Hindu, am about to read a book about a Hindu leader and his journey from Judaism to Hinduism. None of them can answer my questions.Copeziohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05042718069922869894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66165506583989313322013-01-24T22:20:20.214-07:002013-01-24T22:20:20.214-07:00The uterus is there for pregnancy if the person ch...The uterus is there for pregnancy if the person chooses that path in their life, it has the potential but it doesn't mean it has to be used in that way.<br />I've chronic pain all my life, but there are times when it gets in my nerves shall we say.<br />I have read a fair bit of CS Lewis but not the one you said, perhaps I will track it down.<br />But how is the Pope the successor of Peter? If the Pope is the successor of Peter does he talk to God? How do you know this church Christ established was the Catholic church and if it was why aren't all Christians Catholic surely all christians would want to be with the real church? (Not being glib or anything genuinely curious) <br />A foetus can't expect anything it has no right to expect anything.Copeziohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05042718069922869894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-48974831747053988792013-01-24T22:19:14.110-07:002013-01-24T22:19:14.110-07:00They are human beings too they have the right to l...<i>They are human beings too they have the right to life as well.</i><br /><br />They have the right to life as well as what?<br /><br />(And, an unborn child is not an aggressor hellbent on taking the life of his mother, so I'm not sure anyone is threatening to kill the mom?)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com