tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post8250421877088350880..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Little Teaching: We serve the good, not effect the goodLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5381128898936701942012-06-11T17:28:57.174-07:002012-06-11T17:28:57.174-07:00And of course, IVF itself is an immoral means to a...And of course, IVF itself is an immoral means to a good end, so it's never allowed. More on that elsewhere on this blog (search "IVF"). Then entire process of IVF, not just the porn and masturbation, is immoral.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-78183095001993502272012-06-11T17:10:11.563-07:002012-06-11T17:10:11.563-07:00One more example, and I know it's a hard one f...One more example, and I know it's a hard one for a lot of Christians to hear, but it's never moral to look at porn and masturbate in order for a husband to provide sperm for an in vitro fertilization. I once saw a link to a "sample" collecting room and it was full of porn magazines and videos, and the women commenting (Christians, whose husbands had done this) were laughing and joking about it. Pornography, using it, and making light of it is never okay, no matter what good end one is trying to achieve. Completely against the virtue of purity and against God's law.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76444597492182480312012-06-08T16:31:49.700-07:002012-06-08T16:31:49.700-07:00Jamie, wow, excellent example!Jamie, wow, excellent example!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-49927039693254812032012-06-08T16:14:29.204-07:002012-06-08T16:14:29.204-07:00Oh, in case you don't know Jill Stanek, read h...Oh, in case you don't know Jill Stanek, read her remarkable story too. www.jillstanek.comJamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12365082399356886167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-61744906029788317902012-06-08T16:13:57.112-07:002012-06-08T16:13:57.112-07:00There's a marvelous example of this principle ...There's a marvelous example of this principle over at Jill Stanek's website, under her Quote of the Day. They're discussing Project Protection, the offer of $300 to drug addicts who will voluntarily submit to sterilization or long-term contraception. Thing of the good they are DOING, preventing babies being born addicted to crack. Crack addicted babies are so, so sad. And these mothers keep having them! They are powerless to kick the drug habit, maybe they are acting as prostitutes to get money to buy drugs. Come on--let's at least stop the buck right there and prevent addicted and severely impaired or deformed babies, right? No. Something is desperately wrong with that logic. And you've laid it all out beautifully here.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12365082399356886167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-63633321528124487352012-06-08T13:17:05.070-07:002012-06-08T13:17:05.070-07:00Sebastian, here is some more, from the Catechism:
...Sebastian, here is some more, from the Catechism:<br /><br />IV. RESPECT FOR THE TRUTH<br /><br />2488 The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.<br /><br />2489 Charity and respect for the truth should dictate the response to every request for information or communication. The good and safety of others, respect for privacy, and the common good are sufficient reasons for being silent about what ought not be known or for making use of a discreet language. The duty to avoid scandal often commands strict discretion. <b>No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it.</b>283Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-82312011834745006742012-06-08T11:38:24.271-07:002012-06-08T11:38:24.271-07:00Thanks so much Leila!Thanks so much Leila!Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03993048824594772782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-74205918614205977172012-06-08T10:55:57.821-07:002012-06-08T10:55:57.821-07:00Sebastian, I will give the whole answer later, but...Sebastian, I will give the whole answer later, but the quick answer (I am out the door) is that one does not have to reveal things to people who have no right to know. The Nazis had absolutely no right to know if Jews were in the house.<br /><br />Imagine someone coming up to you and asking for your credit card PIN number. Would anyone in the world think he had a moral right to do that, or that you had a moral obligation to answer? Of course not. But, more on what is and is not "lying" in a bit… :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-47385213174471095252012-06-08T10:41:45.883-07:002012-06-08T10:41:45.883-07:00I think there are some important exceptions to the...I think there are some important exceptions to the rule, but I cannot remember the exact justification. For example, when during WW II the Gestapo would show up at people's houses to ask if they hid Jews, and the people lied by saying no, thus saving lives, I am quite sure that the Church approved of that.<br /><br />Isn't the devil here forcing us to either effect evil by answering truthfully (and condemning the sheltered Jews to certain death) or do evil by lying? Leila, I'm sure you know this answer to this one! Waiting for the Church's beautiful answer through Leila or other commenters!Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03993048824594772782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53383437420135725602012-06-08T08:43:19.564-07:002012-06-08T08:43:19.564-07:00you answered it beautifully. Thanksyou answered it beautifully. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6952478057863564972012-06-08T08:32:22.787-07:002012-06-08T08:32:22.787-07:00I am glad you liked the post! I am not sure I unde...I am glad you liked the post! I am not sure I understand the question about the soldiers? It seems you are assuming that what they are doing as soldiers is sinful? Flesh that out a little bit for me, so that I understand what you are asking a bit more.<br /><br />In the meantime, I will say that soldiers also are not allowed to sin. There are things that are morally allowable in a just war, including fighting and killing an armed combatant. So, that would not be transgressing the moral law. Targeting civilians? That would be a grave sin! Indiscriminately bombing entire cities or vast areas with civilians? That would be a grave sin, too.<br /><br />Hope that helps!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84973920826746449442012-06-08T08:05:04.857-07:002012-06-08T08:05:04.857-07:00I loved this post so much. I instantly recognized ...I loved this post so much. I instantly recognized some of my sinful behavior. The message is liberating. Sometimes ( being a mom of a gay child ) this blog makes me crazy, but today the simplicity of this powerful teaching is wonderful. How do the men and women in the armed forces fall into this teaching? Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84293348563335438742012-06-07T19:42:50.725-07:002012-06-07T19:42:50.725-07:00This was a great post! I've never really had t...This was a great post! I've never really had this idea be presented to me so clearly. I also really needed to hear this today. <br /><br />Serve the good and trust. I think I can do that if I can just convince myself to get out of my own way. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-41863088084615903342012-06-07T17:22:25.727-07:002012-06-07T17:22:25.727-07:00sorry, should be "may b". Sorry I keep m...sorry, should be "may b". Sorry I keep messing up your screen name!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6111893565429816412012-06-07T17:22:00.825-07:002012-06-07T17:22:00.825-07:00May be, another reader just emailed me with a quot...May be, another reader just emailed me with a quote from Mother Teresa which we all know and which actually sums it up very well:<br /><br />"We are not called to be successful, only faithful."<br /><br />Same principle! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-37624766402565676052012-06-07T16:18:51.851-07:002012-06-07T16:18:51.851-07:00may be, there are many situations where we can for...may be, there are many situations where we can force a good outcome by doing something evil (that is the theological term for sin, or doing wrong). For example, the four scenarios I wrote about in the original post (kill one person to save hundreds, cheat to get into a good school and have a successful life, lie to become the mayor, and then do good things for the town, steal a bit of money that no one will miss, and have a lovely dinner with the wife). But, all those actions, all those attempts to bring about the good (the good end) by doing something sinful… it's not permitted. Even if the good outcome happens, the original sin was an offense against God. <br /><br />The politician cannot lie, even for a good end.<br />The employee cannot steal, even for a good end.<br />The student cannot cheat, even for a good end.<br />The person cannot kill one innocent, even for a good end for the rest.<br /><br />The fruit that comes will be judged by God. The fruit of the saints' lives, for example, was that grace and truth abounded by their example of personal holiness, and personal purity of thought, word and deed. They saints would never think to perform an evil act in order to force an good outcome. It was St. Joan of Arc who said:<br /><br /><b>I would rather die than do a thing which I know to be a sin.</b> <br /><br />She served the good, and didn't worry about effecting (bringing about) the good.<br /><br />Sometimes, by doing the right thing, a bad outcome will occur. For example, if I refuse to murder an innocent, a terrorist might indeed kill the rest of the hostages. But God will work that out and punish the terrorist/murderers. We <i>don't</i> become murderers ourselves out of a sense that we need to effect a good outcome.<br /><br />We are never allowed to sin.<br /><br />Does that help?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-49783058684925459682012-06-07T14:52:11.217-07:002012-06-07T14:52:11.217-07:00Sorry, meant to take out the word "something&...Sorry, meant to take out the word "something"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-19591562382270870232012-06-07T14:40:30.540-07:002012-06-07T14:40:30.540-07:00in turn affecting goodnessin turn affecting goodnessmaybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729888650736423722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-80996701907090352122012-06-07T14:40:05.984-07:002012-06-07T14:40:05.984-07:00and we should judge by the fruit we bear, right?and we should judge by the fruit we bear, right?maybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729888650736423722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60733924193454763162012-06-07T14:39:06.074-07:002012-06-07T14:39:06.074-07:00if youre serving goodness, by doing all those thin...if youre serving goodness, by doing all those things, aren't you basically effecting the goodness?maybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729888650736423722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68383787907083945342012-06-07T12:34:55.485-07:002012-06-07T12:34:55.485-07:00Needed to hear this! Also, I love your scrupulosi...Needed to hear this! Also, I love your scrupulosity post! Not sure how I missed that!Mandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347616073655350336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-81559010336434428032012-06-07T11:28:29.085-07:002012-06-07T11:28:29.085-07:00Thanks for the comments, guys! When it's one i...Thanks for the comments, guys! When it's one in the morning and I hit "publish", sometimes I am not sure if anything I wrote makes sense. :) So, I'm glad it was worth a read!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-83355246323486961192012-06-07T11:16:59.325-07:002012-06-07T11:16:59.325-07:00This is a very liberating distinction. Thanks for...This is a very liberating distinction. Thanks for the post!Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501575551066939483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44302549133617127332012-06-07T09:04:09.917-07:002012-06-07T09:04:09.917-07:00Liela, I almost didn't read this post thinking...Liela, I almost didn't read this post thinking I know the faith pretty well. Silly me! So glad I read this one! This expresses something so well a thought that I have in the back of my mind when I'm reading Bubble discussions. The liberals who respond to you go off on tangent after tangent, making my head spin, and sometimes making it impossible to keep up with the conversation! They are doing exactly what you are saying. They reject moral concepts and in doing so, they make things more and more complicated. It seems to me that they truly think that they are arguing for another person's good, but they are rarely able to see that the results of violating the moral law are NOT good. Personally, I don't see how someone can be alive in the 21st century and not see the evil rising around us on a daily basis, but in a way, they have to deny the presence of that evil or it takes away from their argument. <br /><br />We have such a beautiful gift in our faith. We can believe on pure, childlike faith what the Church teaches and we will never go wrong if we follow it. Or, we can study and delve deeply into Her teachings and be amazed at the wisdom that guides Her. No surprise there, since, as Jesus said, "who hears you hears Me." That is so awesome! We have a direct line to heaven, to God who loves us more than we can imagine and wants only good for us, and we can know just how to receive the good He wants to send. It is all just too awesome to handle!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32258682340763105022012-06-07T08:33:55.894-07:002012-06-07T08:33:55.894-07:00got this from a friend just now, via email! I worr...got this from a friend just now, via email! I worried about this, ha ha!!!! But read my asterisk. Both "affect" and "effect" can be used as nouns or verbs, although "effect" is <i>usually</i> used as a noun. However, not in this case. :)<br /><br />Here's what she wrote (and I love her for it, but she's wrong, ha ha!):<br /><br /><i>From one anal Melancholic to another, thought I'd email you before too many people read it...<br /> <br />I believe the word you want to use is "affect" (the verb) and not "effect" (the noun).<br /> <br />I could be wrong. But being the Choleric I am... I seriously doubt it ;P<br /> <br />Hugs!</i><br /><br />So, just to be clear: To affect something is to change it. To effect something is to bring it about.<br /><br />Grammar Nazi retreats now….Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com