tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post7809824079004218608..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: My correspondence with a sex educator, Part IILeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36638538702153204672011-04-16T13:30:32.775-07:002011-04-16T13:30:32.775-07:00jay jay, I think it's the next part (the next ...jay jay, I think it's the next part (the next post) that you need to respond to. We make our arguments there, so please go ahead and comment on those points, once you have read them carefully. Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27192675129855856112011-04-16T13:28:35.134-07:002011-04-16T13:28:35.134-07:00jay jay, did you actually read what I wrote? Where...jay jay, did you actually read what I wrote? Where on earth did I say "abstinence or hell"? or "you should go to church more often"?<br /><br />Are we reading the same blog?<br /><br />Please, if you are going to comment, and I hope you will, stick with the actual arguments that were made, not something that isn't even posited.<br /><br />Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1072279804056023712011-04-16T12:47:33.537-07:002011-04-16T12:47:33.537-07:00The sex educator is 100% right: do not pretend sch...The sex educator is 100% right: do not pretend schools to impose YOUR sense of moral on people. My mother is also a sex educator (and also a devoted catholic who relies on NFP), and she does inform people in a secular, objective way. She doesn't go around telling people things like "abstinence or hell", or " you should go to church more often". So, I don't see your point in bashing sex educators.azaleiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150591950392045886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-58306230582462266522011-02-17T15:08:28.835-07:002011-02-17T15:08:28.835-07:00I know this is coming a little late, but thanks fo...I know this is coming a little late, but thanks for answering my question (I was the first person, "anonymous"). I meant to check back the next day, but have just been so busy.<br /> ~Chabella TAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-72934793812189100272011-02-14T18:42:19.498-07:002011-02-14T18:42:19.498-07:00Miss G, your comment reminded me of Captoe's p...Miss G, your comment reminded me of <a href="http://catholicphoenix.com/2011/02/14/a-valentines-day-letter-to-men/#more-4074" rel="nofollow">Captoe's post at the Catholic Phoenix</a> today:<br /><br />"With artificial birth control your Valentine’s Day card really says <b>I Love All of You</b>, <i>except for those parts of yours which are intended for conceiving and nurturing babies, I would like to frustrate their natural functions and keep the parts to myself as toys</i>."JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60656018879981303182011-02-14T18:14:13.317-07:002011-02-14T18:14:13.317-07:00Olya, that was funny!!! :)
Nubby, that was funny,...Olya, that was funny!!! :)<br /><br />Nubby, that was funny, too! I never thought of it that way... ha ha ha!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69753785696380454742011-02-14T17:21:04.682-07:002011-02-14T17:21:04.682-07:00miss g said:
I can't resist: Happy National Co...miss g said:<br />I can't resist: Happy National Condom Day!! (doing my little secular, free loving dance : )<br /><br />Hooray for those of us who have used/do use/ believe in access to condoms for all!<br /><br />cheers to our differing opinions on sex education<br /><br />A National Condom Day, for real? What a stretch. As to any cheers for condom use, I don't think people whose condoms have failed them are much for cheering. Seems a weird thing to celebrate, anyway. Like saying Happy National Hemmorhoid Cream Day, and hooray for all who choose to use it and believe in access to cream for all!<br /><br />-NubbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-55686917684355850772011-02-14T14:11:27.348-07:002011-02-14T14:11:27.348-07:00Leila, on the subject of your previous post (or th...Leila, on the subject of your previous post (or the one before that, the comic relief one) you HAVE to see mine from today. Promise you'll go look :)Olyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17230704672730866871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69359031008038705142011-02-14T12:07:27.944-07:002011-02-14T12:07:27.944-07:00If I didn't think my kids were reading, I migh...If I didn't think my kids were reading, I might do a whole post on condom-sex vs. real sex! Because I've done both and here's to <i>sex au naturel</i>! <br /><br />Which reminds me, I need to get this book:<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Naturel-What-Good-Marriage/dp/1931018588Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-90772749436418243202011-02-14T12:02:53.341-07:002011-02-14T12:02:53.341-07:00Yeah I can't imagine that would be comfortable...Yeah I can't imagine that would be comfortable for anyone ... yuck!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08146718549061898275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-37262102949191706902011-02-14T12:01:44.681-07:002011-02-14T12:01:44.681-07:00Sarah, me either! Yuck. Condoms are not fun. Was s...Sarah, me either! Yuck. Condoms are not fun. Was so happy to be done with those!! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-25502665298852897582011-02-14T11:59:52.064-07:002011-02-14T11:59:52.064-07:00Lol... sorry, Miss G, even when in my "secula...Lol... sorry, Miss G, even when in my "secular, free loving" days, I didn't like condoms much. Ick. *Shudder*Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966555296621723142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9477169719293208632011-02-14T11:43:11.540-07:002011-02-14T11:43:11.540-07:00I can't resist: Happy National Condom Day!! (d...I can't resist: Happy National Condom Day!! (doing my little secular, free loving dance : )<br /><br />Hooray for those of us who have used/do use/ believe in access to condoms for all!<br /><br />cheers to our differing opinions on sex education<br /><br />-miss gAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27350388360830082142011-02-14T11:28:00.243-07:002011-02-14T11:28:00.243-07:00Btw Barbara... wow, yes do keep the comments comin...Btw Barbara... wow, yes do keep the comments coming! Would you believe that thanks to the same words of wisdom that by age 18, I really had no idea that anyone in this era *ever* waited until marriage? I was taught sex outside marriage is just what "everyone is already doing so we might as well equip them." I also imagined that my future husband would feel "emotionally ready" before marriage too, so I better not be a fool and wait. I was so afraid to be left behind or abnormal so I wanted to make SURE I got experience. Ugh! Then I was SO MAD when I started reading other perspectives and started realizing my "education" was sorely lacking. I also think it's really interesting when people claim abstinence is just unrealistic. Really? That's weird. Because I, an immature young adult, embraced it very readily once I learned more about the benefits of waiting.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966555296621723142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60363777617942303462011-02-14T08:51:26.061-07:002011-02-14T08:51:26.061-07:00"Though I disagree with the 'condoms are ..."Though I disagree with the 'condoms are evil because the Pope said so' position".<br /><br />Two things are wrong with this statement, Olya. <br /><br />1. Condoms aren't inherently evil. It wouldn't be evil for an OB-GYN to use sterile condoms on his/her transvaginal ultrasound machine probe, for example. It's also morally acceptable for Catholic couples to use perforate condoms during the marital act if they're attempting to collect semen for infertility testing. It's not the condoms themselves that are "evil," it's using them as a barrier to prevent unity during intercourse that's sinful.<br /><br />2. Contraception isn't evil because the Pope said so. The Pope says contraception is evil because it is. The Pope doesn't create Truth, he merely proclaims it. Creating Truth is above his pay grade. :) Only one Being can do that!JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-77700106823762392492011-02-14T08:32:50.480-07:002011-02-14T08:32:50.480-07:00Um... she doesn't want to offend kids who come...Um... she doesn't want to offend kids who come from homes who don't hold marriage in high esteem so she leaves out marriage in her talks? Wha?????<br /><br />American kids in particular (in *every* socioeconomic bracket) long for marriage. Even when their parents don't hold it in "high esteem." In fact, these kids often long for it the most. Setting the bar so low (just be "mutually monogamous") only continues to deflate those dreams that their parents are already deflating. <br /><br />Also, since when did teaching abstinence strictly belong to religious circles? Lol. Anyone can be abstinent for health reasons. Not just us crazy religious folk.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966555296621723142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-2252384849326771282011-02-14T07:57:18.894-07:002011-02-14T07:57:18.894-07:00Hi Olya!
You said:
Though I disagree with the &#...Hi Olya!<br /><br />You said:<br /><br /><i>Though I disagree with the 'condoms are evil because the Pope said so' position</i><br /><br />Actually, Catholics reject contraception and sterilization because it's been the Christian position for 2,000 years, unbroken. So, it's a little more nuanced that what you have said here.<br /><br />Remember, you will know something by its fruits:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2011/01/contraception-leads-to-abortion-come.html<br /><br />Blessings!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-43194269151521034932011-02-14T07:46:02.757-07:002011-02-14T07:46:02.757-07:00The lets teach them the safest way to have sex, be...The lets teach them the safest way to have sex, because they are going to do it anyway is like saying, the kid is going to take the car. I know they just weren’t ever taught how to drive it, and I know they don’t have a license but we might as well give them the keys ourselves instead of them having to find them to take the car. You know they are going to do it anyway. That logic doesn't sand up does it? Do you know where I learned about sex first? TV, then I got it in school, my peers, and then my parents. Does that mean I was sexually active as a teenager? Does that mean I've ever used a condom? No to both. I was abstinent because I was scared to death of getting pregnant, my parents disowning me, and having to live with the consequences. Did my faith play into it? Sure at some level but I promise it was not towards the top of my list. Now that I'm married to another previous virgin who I dated for 8 years before getting married. The reasoning that says because they can't control themselves is always very maddening to me because it doesn't give people the credit that's due. I teach high school kids, and was one not so long ago. I promise that it is infuriating the way that "adults" look down on young people and say well since you've never learned self control and you haven't been taught not to, we are going to teach a better way to explore things you have no business exploring. Not the best way to deal with that situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9953882240807349892011-02-14T07:37:21.793-07:002011-02-14T07:37:21.793-07:00I got a good chuckle out of finding out that "...I got a good chuckle out of finding out that "heterosexual" and "marriage" are judgmental words. Does that mean that "homosexual" is NOT a judgmental word? I'm glad you pointed out the similarities of the two conversations you had, because your Big Fink post was running through my head as I was reading. Barbara hit the nail on the head when she said they're more "thinking points" than "talking points." I would however, argue that they're NON-thinking points, only because I don't think a lot of liberals do a lot of thinking when formulating their beliefs. It's more of a "feeling" for them - "What feels best for me?"Nicole Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115556585264141565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76856767714335826382011-02-14T07:27:53.628-07:002011-02-14T07:27:53.628-07:00What I observed is that the tone of the letter is ...What I observed is that the tone of the letter is a bit sarcastic and unkind. Regardless of the point of view we should keep ourselves in check (and that applies to Christians as well, please, don't feel judged but it makes me sad when I read a comment and it's just as sarcastic in tone while clearly stating a Christian position.)<br />Though I disagree with the 'condoms are evil because the Pope said so' position, I uphold a biblical view of sex in marriage for the health of everyone involved, if not for the moral reason.Olyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17230704672730866871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-26453071581199724872011-02-14T05:02:17.242-07:002011-02-14T05:02:17.242-07:00Very interesting!!!
I picked up a book the other d...Very interesting!!!<br />I picked up a book the other day titled "Unprotected" by Miriam Grossman MD (psychiatrist)<br />VERY enlighting about what is happening in our schools today and what PC is doing to our society!!!theresa EHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213841528077465387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-31490659236528747662011-02-14T04:41:41.488-07:002011-02-14T04:41:41.488-07:00Please, Barbara, keep the comments coming. I am le...Please, Barbara, keep the comments coming. I am learning so much from these posts!<br /><br />DDDDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02274091412731174214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-14731398204310264732011-02-14T02:46:01.398-07:002011-02-14T02:46:01.398-07:00No Barbara please don't shut up!No Barbara please don't shut up!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08146718549061898275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-81586224501059161882011-02-13T23:35:51.965-07:002011-02-13T23:35:51.965-07:00BTW: I'm NOT blaming my parents for my choices...BTW: I'm NOT blaming my parents for my choices, they were mine. My parents were sincere, honest people doing what they thought was right, doing what the culture told them was right. It's the culture that's messed up.<br /><br />Sorry to post so many comments, there's no edit post function on these things for me to add new thoughts. Anyway I'll shut up now.Barbarahttp://intimategeography.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-37637516038179196482011-02-13T23:35:40.447-07:002011-02-13T23:35:40.447-07:00Barbara, wow, you have a lot of wisdom and experie...Barbara, wow, you have a lot of wisdom and experience to share, and I hope you continue to! <br /><br />Calah, great questions that I know a lot of us have pondered... I think I may have to do a whole post on that question. You might find I touch on some of it in my answer. Stay tuned...Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com