tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post6043779325628234220..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Pope Francis calls for a day of fasting and prayer for SyriaLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-18471666319205998912013-09-09T08:25:52.706-07:002013-09-09T08:25:52.706-07:00Bill, you know the difference between doctrine (an...Bill, you know the difference between doctrine (and the universal moral law) and disciplines, right? It's crucial:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2010/09/catholics-you-must-understand-this.htmlLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50109264628939304432013-09-09T08:22:09.190-07:002013-09-09T08:22:09.190-07:00Some need updating. I'm sure there was a time ...Some need updating. I'm sure there was a time when not eating pork had a practical reason. It doesn't any more. Others are as useful today as when they first came out. It depends. "Be fruitful and multiply" meant more before we had 7 billion people. Sorry. That might not be a good example. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-2640537044465682692013-09-09T08:18:22.766-07:002013-09-09T08:18:22.766-07:00Yeah and I might add are you saying that doctrine ...Yeah and I might add are you saying that doctrine such as the Trinity or transubstantiation could be wrong? Is it all wrong or just some of it?Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5991008951537114712013-09-09T08:10:35.678-07:002013-09-09T08:10:35.678-07:00So, Bill, ancient philosophies and ideas/ideals ar...So, Bill, ancient philosophies and ideas/ideals are necessarily outdated and bad?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84945455676584598522013-09-09T08:03:53.112-07:002013-09-09T08:03:53.112-07:00So are you sure you want to choose international t...<i>So are you sure you want to choose international that conflicts with Church doctrine?</i><br /><br />I don't really know that much about international law, but I assume it is based on sound reason and logic. If that is indeed the case, yes, I much prefer it to Church doctrine. If only because it would be more up to date. Some Church doctrine goes back hundreds, if not thousands of years. That can't be a good thing. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-41798492498090819102013-09-09T07:53:22.962-07:002013-09-09T07:53:22.962-07:00Bill- St. Augustine coined the phrase. Sure. B...Bill- St. Augustine coined the phrase. Sure. But words like Trinity and transubstantiation are also derived words to describe portions of Church doctrine and biblical texts. So too is Just Word Theory. Its a phrase outlined and discussed by SA but is Church doctrine.<br /><br />Since the Church is the authority of Christ on earth. Its safe to say Just War Theory being doctrine is God's law. Whereas international law not based on God's law is man's law.<br /><br />So are you sure you want to choose international that conflicts with Church doctrine?Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-51949258872027882262013-09-09T05:19:49.519-07:002013-09-09T05:19:49.519-07:00While not breaking down the conditions necessary f...<i>While not breaking down the conditions necessary for war to be just, Augustine nonetheless originated the very phrase, itself, in his work The City of God</i><br /><br />When you ask which is more important, following God or man, are you trying to say following Saint Augustine or following international law? Obviously, the answer is international law. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12608686124491692012013-09-09T05:07:01.133-07:002013-09-09T05:07:01.133-07:00Bill- You said that international laws (man made) ...Bill- You said that international laws (man made) don't all follow Just War Theory ( which is morality derived by God). So I was asking which you thought was more important: following God or man. <br /><br />Just War Theory is Catholic but it's been adopted by many secular philosophers.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-35747424228742111622013-09-08T21:53:55.351-07:002013-09-08T21:53:55.351-07:00I'm not sure what you mean. If Assad violated ...I'm not sure what you mean. If Assad violated international law, it is up to the international court to convict him and the international community to bring him to justice. If he also violated the laws of his religion, then, I suppose that is on his conscience as well. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1498155640819360402013-09-08T17:22:04.964-07:002013-09-08T17:22:04.964-07:00Bill- So are you saying that the international rul...Bill- So are you saying that the international rules designed by man trump those of God?Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-21026349972139528052013-09-08T14:10:31.904-07:002013-09-08T14:10:31.904-07:00The problem with the Shah was the people didn'...The problem with the Shah was the people didn't support him. He was our puppet and it was obvious to all. It was inevitable that the regime that overthrew him would be anti-U.S. That was a whirlwind that we reaped.captcrisishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385724098209530784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44597423107110069332013-09-08T11:57:18.092-07:002013-09-08T11:57:18.092-07:00Barbara, exactly. It took me a while to figure tha...Barbara, exactly. It took me a while to figure that out.<br /><br />And Bill, things were better with the Shah.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46562221250655193012013-09-08T11:15:44.666-07:002013-09-08T11:15:44.666-07:00We didn't help remove the Shah. The British an...We didn't help remove the Shah. The British and the U.S. supported his installation in 1941. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-47441896715749352702013-09-08T10:25:21.087-07:002013-09-08T10:25:21.087-07:00About half of the problems in the Middle East can ...About half of the problems in the Middle East can be traced back to U.S. interference either by directly or indirectly removing the political leaders and "bringing them to justice". Saddam Hussein was a horrible man, but it turns out that he was a horrible man who was able to keep the three warring factions in his country from committing genocide. We helped remove the Shah of Iran only to have that country descend into sharia law with worse dictators. <br /><br />The list goes on and on. Every time we interfere with internal politics in the Middle East more innocent people suffer, even more than they suffered before we interfered. Will we ever learn?Barbara C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13066983078171521691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-65571144504131114432013-09-08T08:48:09.792-07:002013-09-08T08:48:09.792-07:00"As someone pointed out, the options we have ..."As someone pointed out, the options we have are all bad ones."<br /><br />We should have challenged Putin to do something about it and backed away. We should have bombarded him with evidence and said "this is your ally. What are you going to do about him?" We should have taken our case to the United Nations and told them that this one is not on us. If they don't want to address it, neither are we. Instead, we are doing the exact opposite. If the Russians had any sense of decency, they would be the ones intervening. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68373287589699812752013-09-08T07:07:04.307-07:002013-09-08T07:07:04.307-07:00As someone pointed out, the options we have are al...As someone pointed out, the options we have are all bad ones. And we are so ignorant of Syrian culture and politics that it would be foolish to get involved in a big way, most of all militarily. To too many Americans, all Arabs (and all Muslims) look alike. I know the Obama administration has specialists who are better informed, but I still don't trust them to "get it" as far as the internal situation in Syria.<br /><br />Is killing innocent people the only solution? Are we really sure about that? Francis correctly points out that we should pray for some other way.captcrisishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385724098209530784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-23580946968176932732013-09-08T03:57:41.405-07:002013-09-08T03:57:41.405-07:00"And according to Just War Theory one cannot ..."And according to Just War Theory one cannot interfer. It has to be internally dealt with."<br /><br />International law is not based solely on the Just War Theory. If we knew that we could trust the rebels to set up a government that would be in the best interests of the Syrian people, stability in the Middle East and overall World Peace, Assad would be sitting in a jail cell or executed by now. But looking at places like Egypt and Lybia, it is obvious that the cute could be worse than the disease. Muslims are better ruled by a secular dictator than by a democracy. The only reason Assad must be taken out is because International law requires it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12842561665317868352013-09-07T17:17:32.302-07:002013-09-07T17:17:32.302-07:00Bill- And that's the point. America would in ...Bill- And that's the point. America would in essence be interferring in what's a civil war that needs to be handled by the Syrians themselves. Aiding the rebels has already made the situation worse since many of the rebels arent Syrians but terrorists from other nations. Its these people along with Assads forces who have been raping and burning. Its not so cut and dry to simply remove Assad with minimal "collateral damage". <br /><br />And according to Just War Theory one cannot interfer. It has to be internally dealt with.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-30532330191095295112013-09-07T16:57:02.180-07:002013-09-07T16:57:02.180-07:00"Is bringing Assad to justice worth the loss ..."Is bringing Assad to justice worth the loss of more innocent lives?"<br /><br />No. It is not worth the loss of innocent lives through collateral damage. If there were a way to take out Assad without collateral damage, we would want to do it. But I doubt that it can be done without the risk of loss of innocent lives, even his family. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-75776695277569321262013-09-07T16:05:41.608-07:002013-09-07T16:05:41.608-07:00Speaking of Syrians, I have never heard of this wo...Speaking of Syrians, I have never heard of this woman until today. Many of you may already know her. I find her music stunning and beautiful, fitting for the church Christ founded.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e5xEYgGr6msAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50713259159109397512013-09-07T12:06:58.887-07:002013-09-07T12:06:58.887-07:00Sorry for my fat fingersSorry for my fat fingersDeltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-87805919614905302832013-09-07T12:06:03.124-07:002013-09-07T12:06:03.124-07:00Bill- bring Asdad to justice in this life. Sure....Bill- bring Asdad to justice in this life. Sure. But at whose expence? Is bringing Assad to justice worth the loss of more innocent lives? Is it worth the implotion on a nation to the glee of terrorists who have their own agendas?Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69167611858603762372013-09-07T09:19:18.410-07:002013-09-07T09:19:18.410-07:00Criminals must be brought to justice in this life,...Criminals must be brought to justice in this life, not the next. It is the only effective deterrent. What we need to do is convince Russia that Assad is a criminal and must be brought to justice. We can't do it unilaterally. We need the support of the United Nations which means we need Russia to not use its veto power to prevent the passing of a UN resolution against Assad. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-51227047137720921722013-09-07T09:12:07.736-07:002013-09-07T09:12:07.736-07:00Here is an excellent article by a bishop on this i...Here is an excellent article by a bishop on this issue:<br /><br />http://journalstar.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/peace-among-dragons/article_38052ac3-edf4-5641-929d-f1e0ca0b212e.htmlLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-33996677926496645382013-09-07T08:51:33.823-07:002013-09-07T08:51:33.823-07:00Bill, one way or another, he will be brought to ju...Bill, one way or another, he will be brought to justice, either by his own people or by the ultimate Judge. But this war we are about to embark upon does not fit the criteria for a just war.<br /><br />I can understand that because you are an atheist you would need that retribution to be on this earth only, by a (former?) superpower like America. But as much as I sympathize (I was quite a hawk in recent years), we cannot go in and bomb or overthrow every evil despot in the world, as other despots -- sometimes more evil -- are right there ready to take their place. That is especially true in the very sad situation of the Middle East, as we have seen. <br /><br />The fact that any human being is capable of using chemical weapons on his own citizens is proof of the evil that lurks in the hearts of men. Sin is a very horrific reality of our existence since the fall. Praise God it's not the last word. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com