tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post523210329468080639..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Quick Takes: Wedding edition!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5344029920911802562013-10-13T18:25:40.014-07:002013-10-13T18:25:40.014-07:00Damn Bill, I was hoping I'd come back from Mas...Damn Bill, I was hoping I'd come back from Mass and see that you have bore the stigmata or joined the third order Carmelites or something:) just happy you are still with us because I'm sure there is a reason. Gotta run <br />God BlessAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-71152331023956493482013-10-13T09:42:30.085-07:002013-10-13T09:42:30.085-07:00Thank you Chris. I am only at a point where I can ...Thank you Chris. I am only at a point where I can go to mass once a week with my wife and not feel like I am faking it. I actually have no interest in becoming overly religious again. I can see Jesus as someone I can trust to see me through life. I don't buy all the teachings of the Catholic Church and don't think I ever will. But I appreciate it when people say they are praying for me. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64335408964877207402013-10-13T07:22:34.994-07:002013-10-13T07:22:34.994-07:00Yes, Amen Bill. I just read your posts on the othe...Yes, Amen Bill. I just read your posts on the others threads and thank God. He is truly faithful to those who seek Him especially us who have struggled with faith. I'm reminded of one of your original posts about your Cursillo experience. Remember the tripod of piety, study and action. Be persistent in prayer , study hard about the Love of God and tell others about your struggles and victories. We ( the whole family) also prayed a decade a while back for all the atheists on Leila's blog. I will offer my Mass today for your continued peace. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-3015629697376075722013-10-12T19:32:07.060-07:002013-10-12T19:32:07.060-07:00Amen Bill! I couldn't agree more.Amen Bill! I couldn't agree more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04350804300916796238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-72547195337947444172013-10-12T05:20:40.310-07:002013-10-12T05:20:40.310-07:00I used to think that women who have a lot of child...I used to think that women who have a lot of children were to be pitied. But, seeing the unmitigated joy of having a large family and knowing the trust in a higher power that is required to keep it all together makes me wonder how anyone could question such an approach. Shows how wrong we can be about things when we don't allow for faith, hope and love. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-2289166241588520212013-10-11T16:43:46.409-07:002013-10-11T16:43:46.409-07:00Chris- I'm not sure why both parents either. ...Chris- I'm not sure why both parents either. I believe it was the priest's choice. But the whole asking who is giving the bride away has been abolished. That much I'm sure of. Even some Prot weddings I've been to have eliminated it. And it's because brides aren't chattel. People still call escorting the bride down the aisle as giving the bride away but in the context of Mass its just a normal procession. Not sure how Prots view it because most services dont begin with a procession unless your high church.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46877815563768767612013-10-11T15:26:44.187-07:002013-10-11T15:26:44.187-07:00Deltaflute, totally get it and fully appreciate pr...Deltaflute, totally get it and fully appreciate proper form etc. Not getting why it's OK for both parents to escort but not one with regards proper form. Either way, my oldest daughter is only 8 so there is still plenty of years to pray for the important result of her marrying the right, virtuous chap.<br /><br />..and if they don't let me walk her I will most definitely, loudly and pointedly explain their need to "unwad" themselves.:) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9229542571078905462013-10-11T11:17:57.761-07:002013-10-11T11:17:57.761-07:00Chris- technically speaking the wedding procession...Chris- technically speaking the wedding processional is part of the nupitual Mass just like any other processional of an ordinary Mass. And just with an ordinary Mass prayers before Mary can be problematic. All Masses are for the worship and devotion to the Lord. Just like blessings not given by the priest or deacon are inappropriate during Mass so can the recitation of the rosary or similar devotion. It has to be under the priest's direction with the focus on Christ and his sacrifice.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-3484592925725105382013-10-11T10:28:28.144-07:002013-10-11T10:28:28.144-07:00Yup, that would be a problem. Nope, never even cro...Yup, that would be a problem. Nope, never even crossed my mind that she is property or that it even meant that in years past. Always thought of it as symbolic of leaving your parents and clinging to your spouse. or even a passing the torch of stewardship or protection to her husband. Also, the march is before Mass begins and what about praying before Mary? I'm sure that's not in rubrics but , come on!?<br /> Also, being around mens group and such, it's very common that guys talk about that moment as a real bench mark and goal. We protect our kids always but primarily while under our care. It is altogether fitting that a Dad symbolically pass the torch to her husband. The event is used as a conscience check for guys in their own formation while raising kids. Example: " When you walk your daughter down the aisle, will you have set a good example for her choosing a husband?". <br /> My parents are wedding coordinators and the are always fighting all kinds of crazy requests and ideas. No, Max the German shepherd can't be a apart of the ceremony. or No you can't dance into the church smoking cigars. sheesh<br /><br /> <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-7391635942550660472013-10-11T08:49:16.863-07:002013-10-11T08:49:16.863-07:00Deltaflute, that is beautiful! Yes, that makes per...Deltaflute, that is beautiful! Yes, that makes perfect sense! :) I just hope we always can keep those options, whatever the bride and groom desire. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-48826438676577770962013-10-11T08:29:59.400-07:002013-10-11T08:29:59.400-07:00Leila- I see your point about leaving family thin...Leila- I see your point about leaving family thing. Historically giving away the bride doesnt mean that of course. Wouldn't have worked in my case either way. I wasnt living with my parents. Older bride. We didnt have bridesmaids or groomsmen. We viewed our wedding as the joining of two families so only family participated in the witnessing and reading etc. Our families still do things combined like Christmas so it was really prophetic in a way.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66933882517829454532013-10-11T07:28:42.427-07:002013-10-11T07:28:42.427-07:00They didn't have a unity candle (I was glad!),...They didn't have a unity candle (I was glad!), but if they would have stopped my husband from giving Cecily away we would have fought till the death. I am not offended in the least by the phrase (no one really believes that Dean or any modern father in the Church believes his daughter is property… never crossed my mind or my daughter's). In fact, it symbolizes to us the transfer from or leaving her father's house and clinging to her husband. And thankfully, since they were not living together, she really was leaving her father's house and going to her husband's house. :)<br /><br />They had a ring bearer and a flower girl, and I am not sure that those things are in the rite, either, but thankfully we did them anyway. Along with the use of the crucifix when they said their vows. I am pretty sure that is not in the rite, either. <br /><br />I love tradition, and I am pretty sure that even pre-Vatican II, fathers were walking their daughters down the aisle. My mom was walked by her father, in a Catholic Church in '64. It would have broken my daughter's heart in a million pieces to have had it any other way, so I am glad it was not an issue, as it might have been in our old parish. I was a brides(matron!) in a friend's wedding about five years ago and it was awful and contentious (horrible wedding coordinator at that parish, very nasty in general), and the bride had to fight for her daddy to walk her down the aisle. Very upsetting! <br /><br />My wedding coordinator at the parish was a dream (shout out to Jean!). She never even brought it up, and we have a very orthodox parish. I was so stinking relieved not to have that fight. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67631786125633160632013-10-11T05:39:01.047-07:002013-10-11T05:39:01.047-07:00Personally I agree that giving the bride away is a...Personally I agree that giving the bride away is a bit degrading. While I think escorting is fine asking a father to give away his daughter like she is property is just wrong. Violates the sacrament for one thing since marriage is supposed to be entered into freely. But it was odd that the priest wouldnt let just my dad escort me.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-74179948560800936322013-10-11T05:34:24.560-07:002013-10-11T05:34:24.560-07:00Its not even in the rite to ask who is giving the ...Its not even in the rite to ask who is giving the bride away. My parents simply unlocked arms and hubby and I stood together. My husbands parents walked him down the aisle too. So they are really trying to get away from that whole giving away the bride. Point is in the future fathers may not be allowed to do that. I also hear unity candles are being discouraged as thats a Protestant thing. We didnt have one.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27162010118444703702013-10-10T17:09:50.200-07:002013-10-10T17:09:50.200-07:00I think it is silly to do away with that tradition...I think it is silly to do away with that tradition. It's like the fuss about the Washington Redskins. Everything can't be a problem. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-23645953411465161912013-10-10T14:34:54.689-07:002013-10-10T14:34:54.689-07:00Ha ha, I still call it "giving the bride away...Ha ha, I still call it "giving the bride away". I never thought of it as negative at all. There are some parishes here that discourage fathers from walking their daughters down the aisle, buy my daughter would have socked them if they even tried to disallow it! I'm with her! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-4304319582756827292013-10-10T11:11:51.213-07:002013-10-10T11:11:51.213-07:00Chris- i dont think they're big into giving t...Chris- i dont think they're big into giving the bride away. The priest who married us says the church discourages it because it was something done when women were property of their father. He made me walk down the aisle with both parents. Not sure about the Miller's priest. But I dont think they call it giving the bride away anymore. I believe they refer to it as walking the bride down the aisle. <br /><br />Just food for thought.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-57232615359076476382013-10-10T08:06:14.457-07:002013-10-10T08:06:14.457-07:00As I said before, this wedding shows how well Cath...As I said before, this wedding shows how well Catholicism works as a worldview. It has made a lasting impression on me. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-25181692811964098622013-10-10T05:35:39.713-07:002013-10-10T05:35:39.713-07:00She looks like a dream, and her grace and her joy ...She looks like a dream, and her grace and her joy really shine through in the images. Just beautiful!! I loved seeing these.<br /><br />Congrats, new Mom-in-law! :)sweet janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611623040938119059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-65698708046939986612013-10-09T14:27:29.366-07:002013-10-09T14:27:29.366-07:00A kairos moment at grammy Millers house.
…Gwammy ...A kairos moment at grammy Millers house.<br /><br />…Gwammy Miller? …ah, little Francis just dumped out my crayon box and refuses to accept the potential eternal consequences of his actions!!!<br />Oh Bernadette, just love your cousin and help him understand that he is always forgiven as long as he is willfully turning back into the light of Christ.<br />But Gwammy, the poor slob can’t even understand Thomistic natural law theory , how will he possibly get forgiveness and redemption.<br />Oh Bernadette, be patient, he’s still young. After he is potty trained we can ease him into it. <br />OK Gwammy….ah, Gwammy?...why is heat hot?....and what does my soul look like?.....Does the dog feel love like we feel love?....Why?....... <br /><br /><br /><br />Leila, weddings are Kairos moments because they kick the door open to new life. It's just awesome. Way to go Millers. I'm still trying to picture myself in Deans shoes giving away my daughter.... I think I'll go clean the gun againAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66909442722124557922013-10-09T10:35:27.503-07:002013-10-09T10:35:27.503-07:00This is totally awesome! As the mother of four you...This is totally awesome! As the mother of four young girls, can you please put together a "what I learned about throwing a holy and sane wedding for my daughter post ?" Step one is personally find a holy and sane man to be the groom, right? :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14927751448670046314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-61755554693100796502013-10-09T09:31:56.535-07:002013-10-09T09:31:56.535-07:00I cannot get enough - it looks like a simply perfe...I cannot get enough - it looks like a simply perfect day!!!<br /><br />And, I can't even IMAGINE what this blog will look like with all the grandma posts and pictures!!!! :) (Yes, I just called you grandma - Bahahaha! You know I love ya ;) )Amy @ This Cross I Embracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766112822487858490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-24598663050818241392013-10-07T07:16:40.469-07:002013-10-07T07:16:40.469-07:00The pics are gorgeous! I can only imagine how it f...The pics are gorgeous! I can only imagine how it feels to see your first child married off to a man your family loves. Amazing!WheelbarrowRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09786312554610653043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27411520484861447412013-10-07T07:11:34.555-07:002013-10-07T07:11:34.555-07:00Love love love!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for more p...Love love love!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for more pics!!barbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06326440281332840980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27571151162767168582013-10-06T18:39:11.911-07:002013-10-06T18:39:11.911-07:00BEAUTIFUL!!!! I'm so happy for you guys!!! S...BEAUTIFUL!!!! I'm so happy for you guys!!! Smiling ear to ear over here!Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12266540380917036624noreply@blogger.com