tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post4927750163245345023..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: My regrettable exchange with a Catholic university professor.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20722849058264294212011-05-03T16:33:19.887-07:002011-05-03T16:33:19.887-07:00Mary, I have visited UD with my daughter… ahhh, th...Mary, I have visited UD with my daughter… ahhh, that's a great place!! :) <br /><br />I am glad you came out unscathed from your school… If you read my reversion story, you'll see that none of us at Boston College did (my friends). They are all still out of the Church, 24 years later. Sad and unnecessary!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9147966461753016412011-05-03T13:21:39.474-07:002011-05-03T13:21:39.474-07:00Catholic higher education is kind of a mess right ...Catholic higher education is kind of a mess right now, isn't it?! <br />Just read this post, Leila, and was fascinated. I sincerely hope that the professor you were speaking of doesn't teach where I went to school---a university that is Catholic in name....but has a reputation among many Catholics as being washed out and thoroughly "of this world." Although!!!--- many (most, even!) of the students there are really truly good Catholics. I emerged "unscathed" and am thankful for my time there. <br />I also noticed the comments from Kate regarding UD. Girl---it's an awesome school! Go there! My younger sister went there, and my brother's there now. Just went to Rome in the fall. It is succhhhh a wonderful Catholic school----I even have school envy. I love where I went but sometimes wonder "what if" about UD....<br />oh, life! crazy!Mary @ RoomPolishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872850532638251762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60497148192148311612011-03-23T14:29:30.312-07:002011-03-23T14:29:30.312-07:00Just read this, and am glad you did dialogue. I ha...Just read this, and am glad you did dialogue. I have had similar experiences, as well as being the product of a shoddy Catholic education. Heaven brought my homeward and lit my soul on fire. Thanks for sharing this, and God bless!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10845051786114528609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76814115622899135222011-03-03T21:47:48.016-07:002011-03-03T21:47:48.016-07:00Anonymous, thank you! I'm glad you are here!!Anonymous, thank you! I'm glad you are here!!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-78177496375289995132011-03-03T14:46:45.845-07:002011-03-03T14:46:45.845-07:00Leila,
Just found your blog....you and I are kind...Leila,<br /><br />Just found your blog....you and I are kindrid spirits. You have "nailed it" as regards the professor and his ilk, and "Catholic Education." I have bookmarked your inspiring blog and look forward to returning often.<br /><br />From, <br /><br />Another intelligent individual who was "miseducated" in a "Catholic" school and who DETESTS intellectual snobbery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68164181445602429022011-02-16T01:30:25.402-07:002011-02-16T01:30:25.402-07:00Wow... I just read this, this morning, and was tho...Wow... I just read this, this morning, and was thoroughly impressed. I think you conducted yourself 100% correctly and that he was taken a little back. He should embrace and welcome your advice and opinion. Great post!Markhttp://www.atheist-convert.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-2954087421843900522011-02-12T11:00:41.312-07:002011-02-12T11:00:41.312-07:00Cathy BB, great quote!
Cam, UGH!!!!
Anonymous, I ...Cathy BB, great quote! <br />Cam, UGH!!!!<br />Anonymous, I couldn't agree more!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46286801392999119862011-02-12T10:12:19.560-07:002011-02-12T10:12:19.560-07:00Personally, having attended Catholic grade school ...Personally, having attended Catholic grade school and then a State University, I have to say that the latter is far less dangerous and misleading. At least you know where you are when attending a public school, so you can't be taught heresy as truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-15600225006348539672011-01-16T22:19:55.598-07:002011-01-16T22:19:55.598-07:00It makes me wonder if he's a professor at my h...It makes me wonder if he's a professor at my husbands CINO university (he's a theology grad student)! He enjoyed your post to (he said to tell you you did a great job!). He had one prof scream at him across the campus "why the Hell did you decide to go to school here?!?!?" (because he's "conservative") ... the answer... we obviously didn't realize what the profs at the school were like... <br /><br />I sent him the link with the comment that it sounded like one particularly hotheaded professor he has. He thought it sounded like him too. Unfortunately I imagine there's more than one out there. Yuck.Cammie Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137080807945525006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64102476958357400912011-01-04T19:20:56.993-07:002011-01-04T19:20:56.993-07:00I'm late on this I suppose, but the comments o...I'm late on this I suppose, but the comments on obedience made me think of a quote I just read over Christmas, from Father Richard John Neuhaus (who was a convert): "The only alternative to obedience is the cacophony of human beings making it up as they go."CathyBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11308517638678130087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-10620036556052941962011-01-03T19:24:01.489-07:002011-01-03T19:24:01.489-07:00Attention all anonymous commenters. I am sorry to ...Attention all anonymous commenters. I am sorry to say that one person has ruined it for you, and I will no longer allow anonymous comments. Please register to keep commenting. Thanks so much!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-78085967662252923492011-01-03T12:45:08.078-07:002011-01-03T12:45:08.078-07:00Obedience isn't very imposing when you know, u...Obedience isn't very imposing when you know, understand and love the Truth on it's own accord.Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44594519508002702632011-01-03T12:08:12.608-07:002011-01-03T12:08:12.608-07:00Here is an excellent quote (supplied by Marc...tha...Here is an excellent quote (supplied by Marc...thanks, Marc!) on "authority". From atheist turned Christian, C.S. Lewis:<br /><br /><i>Do not be scared by the word authority. Believing things on authority only means believing them because you have been told them by someone you think trustworthy. Ninety-nine per cent of the things you believe are believed on authority. I believe there is such a place as New York. I have not seen it myself. I could not prove by abstract reasoning that there must be such a place. I believe it because reliable people have told me so. The ordinary man believes in the Solar System, atoms, evolution, and the circulation of the blood on authority–because the scientists say so. Every historical statement in the world is believed on authority. None of us has seen the Norman Conquest or the defeat of the Armada. None of us could prove them by pure logic as you prove a thing in mathematics. We believe them simply because people who did see them have left writings that tell us about them: in fact, on authority. A man who jibbed at authority in other things as some people do in religion would have to be content to know nothing all his life.</i><br /><br />--C.S. Lewis, Mere ChristianityLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69289374621222019532011-01-03T11:45:47.211-07:002011-01-03T11:45:47.211-07:00Getting caught up in the blog-o-sphere. Peasant t...Getting caught up in the blog-o-sphere. Peasant that I am, I didn't have good internet access of Christmas!!! :) You continue to inspire me, Leila! Keep it up!<br /><br />And might I add Christendom as an outstanding Catholic school?Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12266540380917036624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-34727887173161037282011-01-03T11:08:40.848-07:002011-01-03T11:08:40.848-07:00Truth is a defense to libel/slander/defamation. B...Truth is a defense to libel/slander/defamation. But not to copyright infringement. Here is a short article on how copyright applies to unpublished letters and conversations: <br /><br />http://misssnark.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-letters-and-copyright.html<br /><br />Bottom line: snippets are probably ok under the "fair use" doctrine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-3168863700923219302011-01-03T09:56:46.007-07:002011-01-03T09:56:46.007-07:00Yes, Anonymous, why not?Yes, Anonymous, why not?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-8077659992528564492011-01-03T09:47:52.302-07:002011-01-03T09:47:52.302-07:00Anonymous@8:09am, why not?Anonymous@8:09am, why not?JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66966156456797536922011-01-03T08:09:18.106-07:002011-01-03T08:09:18.106-07:00If holiness requires obedience then I don't wa...If holiness requires obedience then I don't want holiness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-13116758379354906502011-01-02T22:24:39.099-07:002011-01-02T22:24:39.099-07:00PS: Just to clarify... I did tell him about the Ca...PS: Just to clarify... I <i>did</i> tell him about the Catechism, but I did not provide a link.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-52026801917647289742011-01-02T22:22:46.821-07:002011-01-02T22:22:46.821-07:00Hi Christine! I am so glad to have a name, and I a...Hi Christine! I am so glad to have a name, and I am glad you are here! <br /><br />I should clarify that I didn't link to the Catechism on the email that I sent (I did that only on the blog post, for the sake of my readers). That would definitely have been a bit rude! :)<br /><br />It was an honest mistake calling his site a blog. I really didn't even think about the word. I have never even heard of a "research website" since we didn't have such a thing when I was in college. Sometimes I call personal websites "blogs" without thinking and I never thought it would offend.<br /><br />And, I honestly thought he might have been Protestant, and clueless about what the Church teaches. I didn't even look to see what university he was from. I really did not take the time to read his whole site carefully. Next time, I will be more careful, for sure!<br /><br />As for discipline.... I totally agree that that is open to discussion, debate and disagreement. I have no problem with that, and no one else should either. For example, if the issue of married priests comes up, or the mass in Latin vs. vernacular, then we are all free to disagree and fight for our side of the issue, without any fear of being "less Catholic" than the other side.<br /><br />So, let me be very clear: Dissident Catholics (like Fr. Hesburgh, McBrien, Crossan, Curran, Sr. Chittister, etc.) are rebelling against <i>doctrine</i> and confusing the faithful, who have no idea that these are non-negotiables. They have confused the faithful for over 40 years, and enough is really enough. <br /><br />I hope you will keep reading and commenting! You will be an asset to the Bubble! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27252007673014522422011-01-02T22:07:22.085-07:002011-01-02T22:07:22.085-07:00Hello, this is Christine, the "anonymous"...Hello, this is Christine, the "anonymous" person...<br /><br />You are right, I was confusing discipline and doctrine. I am talking about discipline here. So as I said - does the discipline or to make it even more clear - Church's stances on stuff - have to change on a whim? No. Do they change due to thinkers, and over time? Absolutely. And people, discussions make that happen.<br /><br />Thank you for engaging me so kindly. <br /><br />I have to say, you have been very kind to me and I am very appreciative of that. I have to kindly (I mean this in the best way possible) let you know though, reviewing the emails which you sent - I think you really unintentionally came across as condescending to the professor...calling his research website a "blog", and sending him links to your own blog and a copy of the CCC from Amazon.com to better "educate" him probably came across as a very crass attack. Can you imagine someone sending you an email and then "kindly" providing a link to the Bible would be a good first impression to a sister in Christ? I can see why he felt decieved and attacked when you finally mentioned posting this all on the internet. That being said, just replying with a latin sentence wasnt completely gracious either. <br /><br />I pray that in the future you have better luck getting your message across, with the sincerity I know you set out with. <br /><br />Thank you for discussing with me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84791987326544341762011-01-02T21:32:51.533-07:002011-01-02T21:32:51.533-07:00Kate, my daughter's best friend is at UD, and ...Kate, my daughter's best friend is at UD, and LOVES it. She just got back from the Rome semester. Wow!! It was amazing. My daughter almost went there, and when we visited, we were so impressed. :)<br /><br />My son has applied there, too. :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-75601852725597426952011-01-02T21:29:43.468-07:002011-01-02T21:29:43.468-07:00Anonymous, it might be that you misunderstand that...Anonymous, it might be that you misunderstand that a Catholic doctrine <i>cannot</i> change. Doctrine (the Deposit of Faith) never changes, because it is revelation. You can read more about that, here:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2010/09/catholics-you-must-understand-this.html<br /><br />So, that may be why we are talking past each other here. There are certain things that are not negotiable, never have been, and never will be. They come to us from Jesus, and they are objectively true.<br /><br />I appreciate your thoughts! If you could give yourself a "name" that would be great, so we can differentiate between you and the other anonymous commenters.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-30562400833763017622011-01-02T21:22:54.105-07:002011-01-02T21:22:54.105-07:00Okay, I hear what you are saying. Maybe he should ...Okay, I hear what you are saying. Maybe he should preface his talks with "The Catholic Church condemns this as non-Catholic, but these people consider themselves very much Catholic indeed". I think students are very aware of this already.<br /><br />Still, I think this class and discussion should continue! At one point, a very non-Catholic teaching may become Catholic teaching...you never know (world is flat kind of stuff)...so it should not be quashed in University. I think people - even students, most of all students - are very capable of handling differing opinions and open dialogue! We as a faith need that openness...does the doctrine have to change on a whim, absolutely no! But we cannot go chasing people out with pitchforks and torches for daring to think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-47330331441158091732011-01-02T21:10:45.319-07:002011-01-02T21:10:45.319-07:00Anonymous, I am afraid that you totally miss the p...Anonymous, I am afraid that you <i>totally</i> miss the point. The US bishops themselves (who have the authority to say what is "Catholic", have publicly <i>denounced</i> "Catholics for a Free Choice" as <i>non</i>-Catholic. This is not a matter of "hey, why can't we Catholics think this stuff through and it all can still fit in the parameters of Catholicism." No. That's not what this is. This is about <i>contradicting</i> the Church. It's about <i>rebellion</i>, not about engaging in honest theology, development of doctrine.<br /><br />The Catholic university system did <i>incredible</i> thinking, <i>amazing</i> academics, for hundreds of years before the Land O'Lakes rebellion. So, no one is saying that the Church cannot produce lofty thinkers! (Have you ever read the saint philosophers?)<br /><br />The fact that his course was not specifically about teaching Church doctrine does not mean he can have a free-for-all, without explaining to his students that certain sources are <i>not Catholic</i>. If you read my reversion story, you will understand that most of the people under 50 have NO CLUE what is or is not authentic Catholicism; and authentic Catholicism should permeate every subject and discipline in a Catholic university.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com