tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post4509256680894822602..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Two very different womenLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-63178475685938420162010-09-24T13:10:48.684-07:002010-09-24T13:10:48.684-07:00God Bless Mother Teresa and her Sisters of Charity...God Bless Mother Teresa and her Sisters of Charity order.<br />Today they work in over 100 countries caring for the disabled and sick orphans.<br />http://www.vanessakachadurianarmeniansoc.blogspot.comVanessa Kachadurianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16456787675990940096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-26738067290586338612010-09-24T04:45:51.325-07:002010-09-24T04:45:51.325-07:00Sophie, I would like to apologize for my nastiness...Sophie, I would like to apologize for my nastiness, in my 2nd comment, I had a lot going on over at my blog, and that was no reason to come over here and take it out on you. For that I am sorry.<br /><br />Your comment did hit me in an emotional spot and I wasn't being sarcastic in my first comment, but I definitely was in my second one. One would think I would be able to filter even on the keyboard. :) I'm working on that. ;)<br /><br />There are many sides to my mothers story that were sad. She was disowned, named called, thrown out, beaten and too many other things to name here since it isn't my story I won't share all the goreyness of the details. She ended up bringing 3 children to life and still chose not to abort them, when by her circumstances she very well could. They were all not good situations. <br /><br />But why should circumstances of a situation be the deciding factor? If you & I are so happy to be alive, even in the midst of great suffering or not, born to teenage mothers, or not, are we the only ones that are happy to be alive?<br /><br />I am sorry for taking your comment so personally, but being the product of a teen mother and even 2 of my brothers are a product of a teen mother. I was unable to separate it. Please accept my apology, I really thought you were just going to comment and leave. Sorry for assuming. :)Sewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09963399196987365207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20418729331657105232010-09-23T22:30:44.639-07:002010-09-23T22:30:44.639-07:00Hi, Sew. I'm sorry that it took me so long to ...Hi, Sew. I'm sorry that it took me so long to respond to the comment you addressed to me. It’s just that I haven’t had a lot of free time on my hands lately, and I have many other things that take a priority over the internet right now.<br />I'm going to try to treat this as respectfully as possible. I just want to tell you that I mean, nor have I ever meant any disrespect when I state my opinions. It is clear that some of them were misinterpreted by you, and I will try to clarify my intended meaning.<br />Again, I would like to say that I did not mean to offend. As I clearly stated in my first comment, I believe that abortion is the right choice in SOME situations, such as CERTAIN cases of teen pregnancy. There are, unfortunately, some families out there who would disown a child for underage pregnancy, simply throw them out into the street and pretend they never existed. As I stated, SOME cases.<br />I am so sorry that you thought I was targeting children of teen mothers when I said that, because I was not. I had no idea your mother gave birth at 16, and I apologize for the offence I have clearly caused you. Please believe me when I say, I am truly sorry. It must have been terrible your mother to go through those things. I support the decision of teen mothers who choose keep their children as much as I support the decision (most of the time) for them to abort the pregnancy. I know life can be horribly rough for teen mothers, and was in no way insinuating that you should not have been born. I am sure you are a wonderful mother, wife and friend to many.<br />No, I don’t think you should have died 31 years ago. Nor do I think you deserve to die today. In fact, please feel free to tell your mother that I fully support her decision not to abort. I do thank my mother (and, as a matter of fact, HAVE thanked her many times,) for bringing me into existence. I appreciate it very much! ;) <br />I’m sensing the sarcasm in your first comment and I just want to say I do not appreciate it. The situations in which I said I would support abortion may not apply to your mother at all, anyways. You have done nothing wrong (that I know of). I never said that anyone deserved to die. You have twisted my words to make my opinion seem different. Although this situation applied to you, that does not mean it is about you.<br />I don’t even know what to tell you after your second comment. Actually, I really don’t want to post a response. I am severely offended by your condescending attitude and calling me a coward. Do you think it takes a coward to go here, to this blog, a place where no one seems to share her opinions, and stand up for what she believes? Because that’s what I’m doing, right now. In case you haven’t noticed, I AM standing up for what I believe in. <br />I just did.Sophie Fletcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14305942096748916079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-85427071509494835902010-09-22T13:03:45.374-07:002010-09-22T13:03:45.374-07:00oh my gosh....my heart race is going 90 to nothing...oh my gosh....my heart race is going 90 to nothing right now reading this!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of all the infertile women who would not have their babies right now were it not for teenage mothers. As Sew also said, she would not be here, this is completely ludicrous. I need to calm myself down.right.now....alliemichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03307413790111576012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36065641381936866742010-09-22T12:12:29.715-07:002010-09-22T12:12:29.715-07:00I invite everyone to head to Miss Gwen's blog ...I invite everyone to head to Miss Gwen's blog if you are interested in a defense of Sanger's eugenics philosophy.<br /><br />(The Keating connection is always of interest to me, as he attended the same parish I did after he was released from prison, and I know the family.)<br /><br />More soon.... Ahhh, I wish I could blog all day, don't you??? (I'm being serious.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-10244146737178115512010-09-22T11:54:07.566-07:002010-09-22T11:54:07.566-07:00Great Ken! And let's take some of the question...Great Ken! And let's take some of the questionable things Mother Teresa said and did out of context too and form opinions on that as well!<br /><br /><br />In 1981 Mother Teresa journeyed to Haiti, to accept that nation's highest award, the Legion d'Honneur. She received it from the Duvalier family, and made a glowing speech in which she said that dictator "Baby Doc" and his wife Michele not only loved the poor, but were loved by the poor in return. <br /><br />In 1990 she made a trip to Albania, then the most oppressive of the Balkan Stalinist states, and laid a wreath on the grave of the dictator Enver Hoxha as well as on the irredentist monument to "Mother Albania". She was herself of Albanian descent (born in Skopje, Macedonia), but many Albanians were shocked by her embrace of Hoxha's widow and her silence on human rights. <br /><br />In 1992 she intervened with a court in Los Angeles, which was about to sentence Charles Keating, the biggest fraud and embezzler in American history. His S & L racket stole a total of $252 million, mainly from small and poor depositors. A strong Catholic and right-wing campaigner against pornography in his spare time, Keating gave Mother Teresa $1,250,000 in cash and the use of a private jet, in return for which she gave him many useful endorsements, including a character reference to the court. The court had asked Mother Teresa to return Keating's donations, which may well have been stolen, but she never replied to the request.Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-52328733205406591512010-09-22T06:51:09.103-07:002010-09-22T06:51:09.103-07:00Wonderfully reflection and excellently stated. Th...Wonderfully reflection and excellently stated. This was truly a blessing for my day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13523351841111787349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-87026284168184542002010-09-22T05:42:49.348-07:002010-09-22T05:42:49.348-07:00Wow, I had no idea that they gave out Maggie award...Wow, I had no idea that they gave out Maggie awards. That is just sick! I too would be appalled to be the recipient. :(Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02246642466824704112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-52054046205394665382010-09-22T03:52:20.606-07:002010-09-22T03:52:20.606-07:00Sophie, don't run and hide now. I'm waiti...Sophie, don't run and hide now. I'm waiting on an answer as to if you think my life is justifiable because I was born to a 16 year old mother. Coward, you must stand up for what you preach and tell me if you think I should have or still think I should die. Because if you think I should have died 31 years ago, I would assume you think I'm still society's problem and should die today.<br /><br />Please stand up for what you believe in and tell me now what you think.Sewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09963399196987365207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-59989866805821115622010-09-22T00:07:47.560-07:002010-09-22T00:07:47.560-07:00Megan, ha! Yes, she is Maggie to me. :) You know,...Megan, ha! Yes, she is Maggie to me. :) You know, they give out the "Maggie Awards" in her honor. Hillary Clinton received a Maggie. Isn't that sick? I wouldn't want to receive anything in her name!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-91272194272253489732010-09-21T21:12:47.535-07:002010-09-21T21:12:47.535-07:00Leila, I find it so funny that you have started ca...Leila, I find it so funny that you have started calling her Maggie. hahahaha laughing out loud. :)Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02246642466824704112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-75710435257125357202010-09-21T19:22:11.937-07:002010-09-21T19:22:11.937-07:00Ken, thank you. I'd love to hear Sophie's ...Ken, thank you. I'd love to hear Sophie's response. <br /><br />Brit, agreed! The wholesale slaughter of Down's babies is as big a shame on this nation as I can think of.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-3334016499227540742010-09-21T19:19:00.695-07:002010-09-21T19:19:00.695-07:00I am really enjoying the comments and wisdom. Than...I am really enjoying the comments and wisdom. Thank you all!<br /><br />Gwen, do you really not see that Maggie's and Mother Teresa's worldviews are irreconcilable, and that, morally, they are polar opposites?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36617612156889755982010-09-21T18:46:31.116-07:002010-09-21T18:46:31.116-07:00Never has a better post been written. Thank you.Never has a better post been written. Thank you.Kaitlin @ More Like Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260649249438520187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-29148635060842382932010-09-21T18:11:16.952-07:002010-09-21T18:11:16.952-07:00Wow.. thank you for this beautiful comparison!!!!!...Wow.. thank you for this beautiful comparison!!!!! You could not have illustrated this more perfectly. Our world desperately needs to understand the two completely opposite world views that these women have offered. Many people have been taken in, and continue to be formed by the distortions of a Sangerized society - if they weren't, more people would be appalled that we are already systematically eliminated 90% of certain groups of 'unwanteds'. Those Down syndrome babies are just as deserving and demanding of unconditional love as our perfect babies next door.. <br /><br />Sorry.. my own tangent :) <br /><br />Thank you again Leila, you are so adept at putting to words some of the important things that others of us are not quite so great at articulating! <br /><br />(wow.. my longest comment ever? :P)Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17539865861391773453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-8371386626573979592010-09-21T17:57:27.499-07:002010-09-21T17:57:27.499-07:00Sophie: which of these these Margaret Sanger quote...<b>Sophie: which of these these Margaret Sanger quotes do you think best exemplify her selflessness and humanitarianism: </b><br /><br />-----"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." <i> Women and the New Race </i><br /><br />-----"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." <i> Pivot of Civilization</i>, referring to immigrants and poor people.<br /><br />-----"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." <i>Birth Control Review</i>, May 1919, p. 12.<br /><br />-----"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order." <i>Birth Control in America</i>, p. 23<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>Wow! Can't you just feel the love and compassion pouring out from this amazing woman? But wait! There's more!!</b><br /><br /><br />-----“Every feeble-minded girl or woman of this hereditary type should be segregated during the reproductive period. Otherwise, she is almost certain to bear imbecile children … we prefer the policy of immediate sterilization, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble minded.”<br /><br />-----“We are failing to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . a dead weight of human waste . . .an ever-increasing spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.”<br /><br />-----“The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.”<br /><br />-----"I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan...I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses...I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered." <i>Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography</i>, p. 366.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04375044649262793179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-45409267603568991002010-09-21T17:31:30.670-07:002010-09-21T17:31:30.670-07:00Keep posting on these excellent topics, Leila!Keep posting on these excellent topics, Leila!WheelbarrowRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09786312554610653043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-87917387783452987982010-09-21T17:15:38.701-07:002010-09-21T17:15:38.701-07:00Leila-- GREAT post. Bless you for shining the ligh...Leila-- GREAT post. Bless you for shining the light of TRUTH and REASON in our culture of death.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222923574074317535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-91542246421613767742010-09-21T17:04:43.860-07:002010-09-21T17:04:43.860-07:00I really enjoyed this post. You made so many good ...I really enjoyed this post. You made so many good points! I shall store your words away in my arsenal of apologetics:)iRejoicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17572466008502273926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-3646920902331255122010-09-21T16:29:06.342-07:002010-09-21T16:29:06.342-07:00I just want to thank my 16 year old mother, who ha...I just want to thank my 16 year old mother, who had a choice, I was born after roe v. wade. She sure met all of your criteria as to why I should have been brutally murdered and taken from the safe haven of her womb where God had put me. Is it best that I should not be here. Is it best that this living 31 year old fetus should have been torn from her mothers womb? Is it best? Can you tell this to my mothers face, please, I beg you. Please tell her that the daughter she fought tooth and nail for and did the very best she could with what she had that has now turned into a damn good productive part of society that she loves very much. Please tell her I would have been better off dead. Please, I beg you.<br /><br />I want to thank my mother for going through hell and back so this FETUS which is me who is carrying a 24 week fetus could be born and live life. Is that not the most beautiful thing....I can comprehend though I did not loose my teenage years by pregnancy, they were loss by other things that we won't speak of her, she gave up some fleeting years of being a teenager. Grant it, they were hard, I lived with her, I saw her cry. But do you think for one instance that she would have thought it better if her daughter were dead. Was I not worth her sacrifice? I'm a living human being that has a soul and a purpose. Pleasea tell me I was better off dead. Please tell me I beg you.<br /><br />There are things she went through that I will never know, there is suffering that she went through that I will never know, there are times when I bet she herself wanted to die, but SHE did not kill me because she got pregnant at a young age.<br /><br />Thank you Mom for taking responsibility of your actions so that I was not a product of your choice. I have grown into a woman that has a purpose to fulfill and I'm happy I'm here.<br /><br />Thanks Mom for allowing me to live! And Sophie, I'm sure you can thank your mother for allowing you to live so that you too can have a choice. Thank God she didn't snuff you out.Sewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09963399196987365207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-39341038007940075192010-09-21T16:05:15.845-07:002010-09-21T16:05:15.845-07:00Hi Sophie! I think I will do a whole post answerin...Hi Sophie! I think I will do a whole post answering your questions. Stay tuned! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-23284130932933441892010-09-21T15:33:31.629-07:002010-09-21T15:33:31.629-07:00Wow. I don't mean to butt in here, but I am se...Wow. I don't mean to butt in here, but I am sensing a bit of bias against Sanger. I do have a few questions as to some of your points, Leila. I'm sorry if I word my questions bluntly--I don't mean to offend, but I haven't got much time right now and I am simply curious.<br />You say "Mother Teresa was truly humble and radiated joy" etc while Sanger was "proud, troubled selfish and never at peace." I thought both Mother Teresa and Sanger did much for others, especially the poor--Mother Teresa through her physical care, and Sanger through her distribution of contraception. Nowadays, because so many people believe in sex before marriage, it is wiser to be prepared for it than to expect it never to happen. Why would Sanger have been considered selfish if she did this?<br />You also say that Sanger worked for herself alone. I think we can both see that isn't true. If you think it is, please explain to me how so. <br />And although I do agree with you on the "don't-kill-unborn-children" idea, by law, a child is merely a fetus until out of the womb, at which time it becomes a baby. However, studies show that in countries where abortion was illegal and considered bad, both the amount of crime and the infant mortality rate went up exponentially. Abortion can only happen before a certain point in pregnancy. I believe that abortion is the right choice in some situations, such as certain cases of teen pregnancy. Don't you agree it is better for both mother and embryo to lose the fetus and continue living as a teenager than it is to be possibly disowned, homeless, and susceptible to disease? Please help me to understand your point of view.Sophie Fletcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14305942096748916079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32297430332645740942010-09-21T13:53:58.436-07:002010-09-21T13:53:58.436-07:00Well, we can be certain that Mother Teresa didn...Well, we can be certain that Mother Teresa didn't.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-54130389315113964602010-09-21T13:37:28.358-07:002010-09-21T13:37:28.358-07:00No Sew, absolutely not. And I don't think Moth...No Sew, absolutely not. And I don't think Mother Teresa or Margaret Sanger did either.Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-31253340232584828522010-09-21T13:21:45.469-07:002010-09-21T13:21:45.469-07:00Miss G,
I guess I'm confused...Do you think t...Miss G,<br /><br />I guess I'm confused...Do you think that those that suffer are better off dead? They serve no purpose, but waste in the streets so get rid of them?Sewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09963399196987365207noreply@blogger.com