tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post4064365192946031379..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: But isn't Christmas a government holiday?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger226125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-51288713129500773382013-12-24T10:28:46.298-07:002013-12-24T10:28:46.298-07:00lo Saturnalia!lo Saturnalia!Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1448108480086667642013-12-24T10:06:33.276-07:002013-12-24T10:06:33.276-07:00Father, u know my heart. U know what I can say in ...Father, u know my heart. U know what I can say in reply but to what glory for u? Bless gwen today. Bless her because it's Christmas and bc u know her and u luv her. AmenNubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69615732827901687042013-12-24T09:59:11.411-07:002013-12-24T09:59:11.411-07:00Silly typo, sigh...Silly typo, sigh...Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-4460087391322654522013-12-24T09:58:13.429-07:002013-12-24T09:58:13.429-07:00http://www.dennisprager.com/jews-wish-merry-christ...http://www.dennisprager.com/jews-wish-merry-christmas/<br /><br />"Most Jews wish you a Merry Christmas!"<br /><br />Amen, Dennis. This is how we united and get along with our fellow man. I love Prager so much.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-79257039308243792002013-12-24T09:44:49.050-07:002013-12-24T09:44:49.050-07:00More accusations and name-calling and a threat? Yo...More accusations and name-calling and a threat? You disgust me.Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36653320218356426462013-12-23T23:05:10.480-07:002013-12-23T23:05:10.480-07:00Your reality exhibited in the above comment is ske...Your reality exhibited in the above comment is skewed and tilted. <br />Your hypocrisy in the above comment is off the charts. <br /><br />You can edit and re issue or I can correct it for you, gwen. Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68096921322844123272013-12-23T13:50:43.512-07:002013-12-23T13:50:43.512-07:00So your friend JoAnna is also immature for doing t...So your friend JoAnna is also immature for doing the same thing? Funny, I can think of far more immature commenting behavior around here, like the fact that I'll never know if you agree with Leila's comment because you actually agree with the principle of considering every article linked in on-line discussions to be credible or if you just enjoy any chance to be insulting to me.Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36983819863657356332013-12-23T09:54:31.654-07:002013-12-23T09:54:31.654-07:00No! I like your voice!No! I like your voice!maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05613163382453563548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-82177661595456295282013-12-20T15:04:15.572-07:002013-12-20T15:04:15.572-07:00Johanne, if you are still there, this article in t...Johanne, if you are still there, this article in the WSJ speaks to the widespread persecution of Christians across the word. It is massive and it is horrifying, and it receives little attention:<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304403804579262180183994364-lMyQjAxMTAzMDIwMDEyNDAyWjLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-271390282668201352013-12-18T21:05:24.522-07:002013-12-18T21:05:24.522-07:00Sheesh Johanne, I was being sarcastic. Being a vic...Sheesh Johanne, I was being sarcastic. Being a victim is not something to be proud of. Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05155500364598716746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64725628347365207052013-12-18T21:03:01.837-07:002013-12-18T21:03:01.837-07:00"The B&B owners are indeed gracious and I..."The B&B owners are indeed gracious and I am sad for them."<br /><br />Are you sad enough to say that they are experiencing injustice and oppression because of their faith? <br /><br />But here's what really caught my attention: What is a "targeted class"? See, that is my point. It's like we put people into these groups of "oppressed", even if they never experienced any real persecution at all. The interesting things is, some of the most victimized (in the true sense of the word -- terrorized, beaten, dehumanized) people I know fall in the "white" category and the "male" category and even the "white male" category. <br /><br />I also don't want to bare my life before the world here, but I could tell you privately of instances in my life where I was most definitely victimized. Not by a "class of oppressors", but by an individual person who chose to commit horrific sins. And yet, oddly, I still don't consider myself a victim, though the Womyn's Studies folks would have me screaming against the patriarchy, no doubt, if they knew my story. <br /><br />Now there was one instance of victimization in my life (as a teen, and teens are children) when the *system* and an *organization* worked together to victimize me. When they put me, not yet even full grown, on the Pill, in order to make sure that my pot-smoking loser drop-out boyfriend could use me at will. Planned Parenthood was full of <i>adults</i> who were delighted to conspire with me in a most un-grown-up-like way to help keep this dangerous, damaging relationship not only facilitated, but hidden from the real grown-ups in my life who actually cared about me. That is systematic victimization, by design (and aided by tons of tax money) that goes on full speed today. Blech. <br /><br />As for the Bible translations, I apologize if I sounded defensive as I didn't intend to. "Demons" are most definitely part of Catholic doctrine/dogma, whereas "inn" or "cave" is not.<br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-40157423598276811412013-12-18T20:27:36.002-07:002013-12-18T20:27:36.002-07:00"Sorry Johanne, there will always be a larger..."Sorry Johanne, there will always be a larger victim and a greater injustice than your own. "<br /><br />And greater than yours.<br /><br />I work in a homeless shelter and every day I see people who suffer injustices larger than my own, and I suspect larger than yours.<br /><br /><i>You</i> are the one claiming that no one "can hold a candle" to your suffering.<br /><br />And what is awesome about oppression? Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-38452524712248975722013-12-18T20:19:34.890-07:002013-12-18T20:19:34.890-07:00"Not every member of every targeted class exp..."Not every member of every targeted class experiences oppression. I suspect the reason you have never felt victimized is because you weren't. You are lucky. Perhaps have some compassion, rather than disdain, for those of us who were not so lucky,"<br /><br />Oh please. I am a deaf woman from the wrong side of the tracks. I have y'all beat! Where is my oppressed victim crown? Unless you have a larger than 10 inch scar on your body I doubt you can hold a candle to me. <br /><br />Isn't it awesome how we live in a society where oppression can equal awesomeness? <br /><br />Sorry Johanne, there will always be a larger victim and a greater injustice than your own. Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05155500364598716746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-45112841794722891022013-12-18T19:47:34.483-07:002013-12-18T19:47:34.483-07:00" A 2' blow-molded figure with plastic op..." A 2' blow-molded figure with plastic opaque "skin", not gonna cause any real trauma."<br /><br />On this we agree!Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-2364846285823248332013-12-18T19:46:04.255-07:002013-12-18T19:46:04.255-07:00@Leila
"By the way, I am a woman, so I belong...@Leila<br />"By the way, I am a woman, so I belong to one of the left's "oppressed" classes. However, I was raised to never see myself as a victim, or oppressed because of my sex. As a result, I have NEVER felt victimized "<br />Not every member of every targeted class experiences oppression. I suspect the reason you have never felt victimized is because you <i>weren't</i>. You are lucky. Perhaps have some compassion, rather than disdain, for those of us who were not so lucky,<br /><br />"Johanne, regarding the inn (or the cave, or the house), you've answered your own question. It does not change any of the tenets of Christianity." But that isn't actually my question. I wonder why it is so terribly threatening to Christians to accept that the translation of the bible they happen to be familiar with probably contains some incorrect translations. When we had the discussion on this blog people were very closed to the idea. I remember a discussion regarding whether or not Jesus exorcised "demons." The word "demon," taken across cultures and across centuries, could be interpreted all kinds of ways. But I was denounced for suggesting that could be true. If the world for "stable" is mistranslated, why can't the word for "demon" be as well? I especially don't understand because it doesn't threaten the tenets of Christianity--so why the defensiveness?<br /><br />I can't imagine where you got the misinformation that homosexuals have "always" had "very high" standards of living. This is not true at all.<br /><br />I have a very hard time believing that Christians are the most persecuted groups in the world. Though I don't have any real statistics about it. The Republican party is owned by Christians.<br /><br />The B&B owners are indeed gracious and I am sad for them. But I wonder how they determined if a couple was legally married? Did they insist that people bring their marriage license? <br /><br />Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-19994111130234533382013-12-18T19:17:45.506-07:002013-12-18T19:17:45.506-07:00"And yet their anger is tossed aside as child...<i>"And yet their anger is tossed aside as childish, as though they get some sort of adolescent thrill out being victimized. </i>" <br /><br />I personally haven't seen any Catholics rejoicing in injustices done to people because of their race, gender, or sexual inclinations (on this blog we know that would be sinful). I don't believe I've seen anyone discarding a true circumstance of victimization. The nativity scene uproar is laughable compared to true sufferings like the ones you mentioned. Rapes, beatings, those are real sufferings. A 2' blow-molded figure with plastic opaque "skin", not gonna cause any real trauma.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76338117904328766472013-12-18T19:10:03.553-07:002013-12-18T19:10:03.553-07:00Johanne, regarding the inn (or the cave, or the ho...Johanne, regarding the inn (or the cave, or the house), you've answered your own question. It does not change any of the tenets of Christianity. I could look into what the Catholic understanding of that shelter/dwelling is if you'd like.<br /><br />"Being denied your livelihood is a terrible thing (this only happened to one bakery in Oregon, right?) but it is nothing compared to the systematic violence and victimization gay people (and others) have been subjected to."<br /><br />No, much more than one bakery, but no one on the left is reporting it. That is why Bob Shieffer (CBS national reporter!) was "shocked" to hear of such a thing, when Christians have been reporting these cases and judgement for months and years.There is a reason that the left won't report much about this, because polls show that, so far, the American public is against folks losing their life's work and livelihood because they are Catholic/Christian. But not just bakers, also photographers (in New Mexico, correct, Gwen?), and florists, and bed and breakfast owners, etc. Then of course there are the pharmacists, the doctors, the nurses who will not facilitate abortions or morning after pills, and all the Catholic/Christian owned businesses who do not wish to be forced by the government to be complicit in the HHS mandate (and lose their souls). It's happening in America, in Canada, in UK, etc. Very tragic stories. This particular older couple in UK is heartbreaking:<br /><br />http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-bb-owners-lose-supreme-court-appeal-forced-to-sell-business-after<br /><br />Watch their graciousness in the video. It's just devastating to watch good people be persecuted by the government because of their faith (in an "enlightened" society). Like abortion, the oppressed become the oppressors. Nice, right? Sigh.<br /><br />By the way, I am a woman, so I belong to one of the left's "oppressed" classes. However, I was raised to never see myself as a victim, or oppressed because of my sex. As a result, I have NEVER felt victimized in this society, and in fact, I have always felt sorry for men, who don't have nearly the same choices as women. I never resented men or saw them as the enemy, or the ones to defeat (or even "become like"). I have oodles of self-esteem and love my biology and my womanhood. :) I think I probably would have been taught to view myself differently if I had taken (and believed) the feminist/Womyn's Studies line. <br /><br />Last comment: It's very sad that gays have been abused and oppressed (even as they always had very high incomes in standards of living in America, by the way, which is interesting). That does not mean that we must accept gay "marriage" or be put out of business by our government. Again, that is systematic oppression (by the system, i.e., government). <br /><br />No wait, this is the last comment: Christians are among the most persecuted groups in the world today (we're talking massacres, jail, beatings, burnt homes and churches, torture -- and of course, just the general run-of-the mill illegality of Christianity or owning Bibles, speaking of the Faith, etc. Being a Christian can merit the death penalty around the world.) <br /><br />We are not there yet in America, but loss of livelihood is a frightening first step, no? Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-22905315705440674912013-12-18T19:05:48.923-07:002013-12-18T19:05:48.923-07:00If you have a link, I'd look at it.
Remembe...If you have a link, I'd look at it. <br /><br />Remember, when we see "discrepancies" in the bible as far as words or translation, we have to look at the author's full context. What did he affirm? What letters did he cross reference? What parts of the event did he reiterate? What details were unimportant to his main message?<br /><br />Remember, also, the Church is has only authoritatively interpreted a handful of verses. She is in the business of giving both scripture and sacrament. The scholars have their place in aiding the reader or seeker, but we don't rest on scholars for the fullness of the faith.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42537221974260698582013-12-18T18:38:08.312-07:002013-12-18T18:38:08.312-07:00Changing topics here: Recently we had a discussion...Changing topics here: Recently we had a discussion about how trustworthy the bible was as a historical reference. And I questioned whether or not the nuances of language could be trusted because of various translations, etc (I was not questioning the basic history in the bible). <br /><br />This is an example of what I was talking about. Relevant here because it relates to the Nativity scene that we have seen thousands of times--but may be historically inaccurate because of the translation of one word.<br /><br />"The Biblical story of the birth of Jesus is found primarily in Luke 2. Dr. Luke neither quotes nor mentions an innkeeper. We suggest the story does not refer to an inn, a cave or even a barn, but rather a house!<br />The text of Luke 2 notes there was no room for Mary and Joseph in the “inn.” Unfortunately, the Greek term translated inn (kataluma) had multiple meanings, among them inn or caravansary. Used only one other time in the New Testament (Luke 22:11 and the parallel passage, Mark 14:14), it was the place where Jesus observed the Last Supper with His disciples. Here, Dr. Luke gave additional information about the kataluma. He said it was a furnished large upper story room within a private Jerusalem house. The kataluma of the last night of Jesus’ earthly ministry was the “upper room.”<br />We suggest the kataluma of Jesus’ first night was a similar room in Bethlehem. Mary and Joseph came into town with Mary ready to deliver. Arriving at Joseph’s ancestral home, they found it already full of other family members who had arrived earlier. While the exact reason space was not made for a pregnant woman is unknown, it probably indicates the house was full of elder members of Joseph’s family, who had priority."<br /><br />this came from a Christian history website--I didn't copy the URL!--sorry. but I have heard this same info from numerous sources. I don't think this needs to negate any of the tenets of Christianity--it's a minor issue--but I believe there are probably all kinds of discrepancies in the story of Jesus we know and what was actually written--because of problems with translation.Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-25807937347034259272013-12-18T18:30:55.250-07:002013-12-18T18:30:55.250-07:00"The "victim" talk you see from Cat..."The "victim" talk you see from Catholics includes victimization of their livelihoods or even their very lives.<br /><br />In the starkest contrast possible, it's a stretch to say that an onlooker is being "victimized" by a plastic lighted nativity figure."<br /><br />But Leila (and others) make gross sweeping generalizations about "the left" that extend way beyond the nativity issue. Many people on the left focus on race and gender do so <i>because they have been viciously persecuted because of their race or gender.</i>Gay people were beaten, raped, killed regularly when the gay rights movement began (the gay rights movement was around decades before the discussion of gay marriage)--they were denied vacation, housing, everything. And yet their anger is tossed aside as childish, as though they get some sort of adolescent thrill out being victimized. <br /><br />"It's always about victim/victimizer, when the people claiming victim status are actually capable grown-ups who are not actually being victimized at all. "<br /><br />One could just as easily ask why you are always putting things in terms of religion. But the answer is that you feel persecuted by reason of your religion. Why can't you grant the same to others?<br /><br />Being denied your livelihood is a terrible thing (this only happened to one bakery in Oregon, right?) but it is nothing compared to the systematic violence and victimization gay people (and others) have been subjected to.<br /><br />Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-14112107140986847312013-12-18T18:19:39.244-07:002013-12-18T18:19:39.244-07:00that's it, yes it was a discussion about the t...that's it, yes it was a discussion about the the meaning of 'marriage'<br /><br />yes, we referred to it as a christmas treeMiss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32486243310886258612013-12-18T18:02:46.684-07:002013-12-18T18:02:46.684-07:00One quick clarification re: one of Gwen's comm...One quick clarification re: one of Gwen's comments above: It was never a discussion about what "family" means (family can include extended family, a single parent family, etc., of course), but a discussion of the essential meaning or understanding of "marriage". Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-11349416500204268732013-12-18T18:00:17.683-07:002013-12-18T18:00:17.683-07:00Sorry, "two sizes too small"
Gwen, did ...Sorry, "two sizes too small"<br /><br />Gwen, did you guys call it a Christmas tree when you were growing up?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32898860356129845012013-12-18T17:57:06.591-07:002013-12-18T17:57:06.591-07:00"It's called Air Force Instruction 1-1 se...<i>"It's called Air Force Instruction 1-1 section 2.11," Mikey Weinstein said.<br /><br />Weinstein said his office received complaints of the nativity scene from 41 Shaw Airmen.</i> [from the link JoAnna posted]<br /><br />Ah, good ole Mikey Weinstein! I think his heart is two sizes to small. But wow, he claims that 41 airmen were emotionally traumatized by Baby Jesus…. I somehow doubt it. <br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46450725174976334352013-12-18T17:04:16.045-07:002013-12-18T17:04:16.045-07:00Doesn't mean I haven't read Fox news artic...Doesn't mean I haven't read Fox news articles before or watched their "reporting." I choose not to read their articles if I can help it. Sorry if that's confusing or difficult for you to understand.<br />Miss Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02503676176409924845noreply@blogger.com