tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post3174473863915208323..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Why is the Left Ignoring Church Burnings and 'Near Genocide' of Christians?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger154125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-37243520837663551332015-10-23T17:44:25.561-07:002015-10-23T17:44:25.561-07:00Just wondering what you think now. It's proven...Just wondering what you think now. It's proven true that muslims ARE killing Christians. Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq and other places. The president has turned Christian refugees away while accepting more muslims. (He's already brought in over 20 million per his own publication.) The FBI has confirmed muslim terrorists attacks in every state yet the left accuses Americans of racism. (Muslims are not a race but a religion that cloaks the Islamic government which uses sharia law. Their race is middle eastern.)<br />As country after country in Europe is closing their borders and activating their military one must conclude their "refugee" situation is not going well.<br />I do realize this blog item is old but if you read this I wondered if you changed your stance.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06467104288050832897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-85741770990806398722011-03-30T16:48:28.859-07:002011-03-30T16:48:28.859-07:00thank you A!
take all the time you need leila! n...thank you A! <br /><br />take all the time you need leila! no big rush... =)<br /><br />~MynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42563880305656233672011-03-30T10:42:02.708-07:002011-03-30T10:42:02.708-07:00Myn,
The short answer is this- The Church gets he...Myn, <br />The short answer is this- The Church gets her authority from God.<br />"And you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church, I give you the keys to the kingdom and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven"<br />Therefore, since the Church was established by Christ in order to spread the teachings of Christ, the Church CANNOT accept teachings that Christ Himself condemned. Christ said that Homosexuals WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, and Paul and others reiterated these points in their letters. Just as the Church does not have the authority to allow Priestesses to be Pastors at Churches because Christ's apostolic succession of priests were all male. <br /><br />It comes down to authority. I know that may seem harsh given today's societal standards, and the way the mainstream media portrays the Church as intolerant and bigoted. However, the mainstream media, in claiming such things and in pressuring the Church to compromise on these teachings, is being intolerant and bigoted toward the Church-the teachings that Jesus laid out for us to follow and that most of the world agreed with for almost 2000 years!<br /><br />If you will read the first couple of chapters of Romans, you will see that the bible is very clear about its stance on homosexuality. We do not condemn the person, we condemn the act. The Church calls those who feel these same sex attractions to carry them as a cross and overcome them. I have met people within the Church that have in fact overcome such feelings.<br />If the Church was to give in and say, "alright, gay marriage is ok.." it would be acting on it's OWN authority apart from God. It's a non-negotiable. <br /><br />AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5021111210476376682011-03-30T00:11:31.735-07:002011-03-30T00:11:31.735-07:00JoAnna, awesome quote! Myn, I need some real time ...JoAnna, awesome quote! Myn, I need some real time to do that, and my schedule isn't breaking for a while.... But I promise I will try soon!<br /><br />Meantime, here is something to read and maybe you can find some good points there:<br /><br />http://www.catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.aspLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-89746175317698162112011-03-29T16:28:31.995-07:002011-03-29T16:28:31.995-07:00oh and why gay marriage shouldn't be legalized...oh and why gay marriage shouldn't be legalized, if you could...in that post or maybe another so it's not too long? ---cuz I was talking to some pro-gay-marriage people and I wasn't sure what to say. =(<br /><br />thank you so much!!!!! =D<br /><br />~MynAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-54581033412617332332011-03-28T21:35:42.114-07:002011-03-28T21:35:42.114-07:00Just saw this while at the Catholic Phoenix blog.....Just saw this while at the Catholic Phoenix blog... seems appropriate for this discussion. :)<br /><br />"Liberalism defines freedom as the right to do whatever you please, and that is the way freedom is understood by 90% of young Americans educated in non-religious institutions. If freedom means that, it means anarchy." — Archbishop Fulton SheenJoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27968637672183714992011-03-28T19:32:26.277-07:002011-03-28T19:32:26.277-07:00A, thank you for this comment on your comment on t...A, thank you for this comment on your comment on the next post. I agree.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-52128647862131934962011-03-28T18:42:25.601-07:002011-03-28T18:42:25.601-07:00L,
You said it all boils down to politics and tha...L, <br />You said it all boils down to politics and that we are twisting it into, "Muslims kill Christians." Let's not forget that it was CHURCHES which were targeted for the burning of a KORAN. Sheesh.<br />-AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-90249855449820910382011-03-28T14:06:45.892-07:002011-03-28T14:06:45.892-07:00Yeah, it's a lightening rod topic. This comme...Yeah, it's a lightening rod topic. This comment thread was supposed to be about Christian persecution and the mainstream media's lack of coverage on it. But here we are...and I'm not really sure anyone who would identify himself/herself as a liberal ever actually said, "Yes, it's wrong that the media doesn't cover this." I don't know whether to laugh or cry!Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-91358861477297423972011-03-28T13:43:22.569-07:002011-03-28T13:43:22.569-07:00I meant "love" not "luve" ha h...I meant "love" not "luve" ha ha ha!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1446887196153734682011-03-28T13:41:26.815-07:002011-03-28T13:41:26.815-07:00Myn, I would luve to! It's something that will...Myn, I would luve to! It's something that will take sime time to craft well, as it's a big topic and I want to make sure it's simple and readable, and reasonably short. So, it's a tough one to pull together quickly, especially since it's a lightning rod topic.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6128505634757724792011-03-28T12:39:15.358-07:002011-03-28T12:39:15.358-07:00could you do some sort of post on homosexuality, a...could you do some sort of post on homosexuality, and why the Church says it is wrong, at some point Leila? I'd be ever so grateful. :)<br /><br />~Myn<br /><br />I would ask MaiZeke about when a fetus becomes a person in her opinion and the reasons she holds that opinion but that would be horribly off-topic and might cause her to ignore your fascinating questions. =P XDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-48887380093912683662011-03-28T12:16:17.542-07:002011-03-28T12:16:17.542-07:00One more thing... bigamy is a harder comparison, s...One more thing... bigamy is a harder comparison, strictly speaking, because there is no "disordered" sexual attraction with biagmists, even though having multiple wives is a sin in Christianity. I also am not sure that atheists would be so against polygamy, really, since it doesn't seem all that different from swinging, in a way, which is all the rage in many circles, not just secular. But I could be wrong. Polygamy might be very unacceptable to MaiZeke and others. They can straighten me out on that, because I really don't know.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-82330872936099420472011-03-28T12:10:09.910-07:002011-03-28T12:10:09.910-07:00MaiZeke,
You used the terms "freaks of socie...MaiZeke,<br /><br />You used the terms "freaks of society" and "freaks of offspring" when describing human beings who were conceived in incestuous relationdhips. I have to take issue with talking about human beings in such dehumanizing ways. They are people, just like the rest of the human family. We are all human. We all have inherent dignity. <br /><br />I have seen plenty of these offspring in the news over the years, on talk shows, etc. Most are not "freaks" in any way. Is there higher chance that there will be congenital problems? Yes, but most are normal, functioning human beings, and they don't need to be called "freaks of society" any more than Downs babies were once called. The children of incest had no hand in their parents' sin. They are innocent.<br /><br />sweet jane: It's just my logical brain that has to present that comparison when nothing else seems to make sense. It is very true that NAMBLA and others are trying to normalize their behavior (they call them "gifts") in the same way the gay lobby did years ago. Yes, there is a difference, morally, I agree! It's the redefining of marriage and the meaning of sex that even gets us to this discussion. I think it's so sad.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42672996740893137872011-03-28T11:15:41.911-07:002011-03-28T11:15:41.911-07:00Though there is one similarity between homosexuali...Though there is one similarity between homosexuality, beastiality, incest and pedophilia, in that they are all perversions of natural sex, I also cringe to hear homosexuals likened to pedophiles. Children are victimized by pedophilia, and it's the government's (and society's) responsibility to protect them. Homosexuality is not illegal, nor should it be. <br /><br />I fear this comparison assists the frighteningly bold and growing pedophile support groups, who then attempt to use similar reasoning to justify their behavior. <br /><br />I do understand why the comparisons come up, but I think bigamy is a far better comparison in this regard, and one that isn't as easily dismissed by those who disagree in the 1st place.sweet janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611623040938119059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-43679829712538038682011-03-28T11:12:02.662-07:002011-03-28T11:12:02.662-07:00MaiZeke, then by your last point, I cannot be a bi...MaiZeke, then by your last point, I cannot be a bigot. I don't "deny rights because I just don't like them." I have no personal animus toward any homosexual. I believe that changing the definition of marriage is harmful to society and children. Whew, so I am not a bigot.<br /><br />I'm not clear on number one. If marriage is about "having a life together", then can't a longtime friendship between old ladies who room together be "marriage" by that definition, too? Or a father and son who live in the same apartment for decades? Doesn't marriage mean a little bit more than that, though? <br /><br />Don't you think sex has something to do with marriage? You didn't mention that, even though you mentioned children. If marriage is just about two friends rooming together for life, then we have no reason to set "marriage" apart from any other union or friendship. Let's not even talk about "marriage" being something unique or different. <br /><br />Or, could you be a bit more precise on your definition?<br /><br />More coming...Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-33942812964486314312011-03-28T10:51:39.906-07:002011-03-28T10:51:39.906-07:00you think marriage is for a man and a woman who ha...you think marriage is for a man and a woman who have the correct parts that fit together. I think it is for two people to have a life together and raise children together if they choose to have children. marriage means being able to contribute to your spouse's 401k so that if you die first, she is financially stable (which is not possible for gays outside of marriage right now).<br /><br />2) Why do you deny the "right" of a grown daughter and her father to marry (since you are not voting to give them rights), and does that make you a bigot?<br /><br />Because, as I said in the blog or possibly here, when people so closely related procreated, freaks of society result. We strive for a healthy society. I do NOT advocate forced sterilization, which may get around the issue. They can't marry because society would get worse. You could ask the same question about if I think I'm a bigot because I think someone who rapes shouldn't be allowed to rape. In that case, the rapist is infringing upon the rights of the raped.<br /><br />Why we call you bigots is that there is no infringement of rights upon you for a homosexual couple to be married to each other. In fact, homosexual marriage does not infringe upon the rights of anyone. It does not create freaks of offspring. Yet still you want to stop it. And yet still you (perhaps not you specifcially, but christian parents) encourage their children to go to school and tell their homosexual friends either not to be homosexual or that they are sinning (bad, wrong, dirty) because of who they are. And who they are is not harming anyone. <br /><br />So the answer to your third question is in the answer to the second. denying someone rights because it causes harm to others (or their future children) is not bigotry. Denying someone rights because you just don't like them is.<br /><br />MaiZekeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-28415724310943643602011-03-28T09:52:47.183-07:002011-03-28T09:52:47.183-07:00MaiZeke, you last point/paragraph makes sense to m...MaiZeke, you last point/paragraph makes sense to me. Thank you! I still don't think it answers the question about why the liberal <i>media</i> do not report on this (when you know that if the slaughter were going in the other direction, they would be all over it).<br /><br />As to the other stuff.... the "rights" according to Christians was brought up simply because you seemed to be confused about what I was asking. For the purposes of my questions to you here, I don't mind if we only talk about "rights" from the atheists' perspective.<br /><br />Maybe I will try again, just once more:<br /><br />1) What is marriage for (from your perspective)?<br />2) Why do you deny the "right" of a grown daughter and her father to marry (since you are not voting to give them rights), and does that make you a bigot?<br />3) Since all "rights" come from other people/popular opinion/government, then aren't you denying "rights" to anyone who wants to get married but can't? If enough of us said that pedophiles have rights, then they would have rights, right? Does that make us bigots, since we won't work for them to have rights?<br /><br />I am being very specific, I think. I hope you can answer the questions directly.<br /><br />Also, since I have a fuzzy mommy brain, sometimes people do have to repeat themselves on this blog, if it's relevant to the discussion, and if it's been a while. Also, many readers are new and have not heard your responses from last year. I often repeat myself (like, A LOT) and I will continue to do so until it's very clear to the questioners. If you could afford me the same courtesy, I would be so grateful.<br /><br />Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-37261016041100645282011-03-28T09:37:18.277-07:002011-03-28T09:37:18.277-07:00Leila, I posted about why I don't think brothe...Leila, I posted about why I don't think brothers and sisters shouldn't marry on my blog last September. The same holds true for fathers and daughters. I'm not going to answer it again.<br /><br />We always come down to the same argument. The church has absolute rights and truth (fetus has rights), and non-religious have reason. At this point, this discussion is about that again. I know, I know, you will say that you are using reason as well, but you reason AFTER God reveals to you the truth. You don't get to the truth by using reason, you receive the truth and then you use reason to try to convince others, or possibly yourselves.<br /><br />The point of the post is that you/Lisa are saying that the left goes easy on Islam and hard on Christianity. I disagree; I say we are fair on both. Christianity is gentler but more in my face. Islam is more atrocious, but my daily life and children's schooling is not (yet) being encroached upon by Islamic tendencies. Christians are everywhere in my immediate life, which is why I protest it more loudly (to you). However, I do also protest Islam's rights abuses to others (including to Christians). <br /><br />MaiZekeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-22450451237017855682011-03-28T09:27:08.439-07:002011-03-28T09:27:08.439-07:00MaiZeke, folding laundry, thinking...
The Church ...MaiZeke, folding laundry, thinking...<br /><br />The Church would say that homosexuals have a disordered sexual attraction. The Church would say that pedophiles have a disordered sexual attraction and so do bestiality people. I think you would agree with the Church on those last two. <br /><br />Back in the day, homosexual acts were looked upon with the same disgust that pedophiles and bestiality folks are today. The only difference is public opinion. So, if the day comes when pedophiles and bestiality folks are given their sexual "rights" (as they are asking for, and as the APA came close to doing for pedophiles), then you will look like a horrible bigot for saying what you do about them.<br /><br />The Church looks horribly bigoted to you because she still says that all three categories are disordered. <br /><br />I agree that homosexuality is "better" in that it involves adults and humans. So, I don't mean to say they are identical disorders.<br /><br />It might come down to this, which might clear things up for me:<br /><br />What is your understanding of marriage? What is marriage? What is the purpose of marriage? Why do people get married (or what would be the ideal reasons, in your mind)? <br /><br />That will help me think through this a bit more, and explain why I think we have such differences here.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-41707460950831191412011-03-28T09:02:10.497-07:002011-03-28T09:02:10.497-07:00Since you won't answer most of my questions, h...Since you won't answer most of my questions, how about just this one?<br /><br /><i>By the way, you skipped the one example: Aren't you a bigot for denying the "right" of a father and daughter to marry (adults, both)? Why won't you vote them their rights? If you don't that means you are withholding their rights, right?</i><br /><br />Help me understand. Correct me where I am going wrong.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-79444897679078985642011-03-28T08:59:56.496-07:002011-03-28T08:59:56.496-07:00*Sorry, I should have said MaiZeke. I have to brea...*Sorry, I should have said MaiZeke. I have to break my old habit. I apologize.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68743227149067674162011-03-28T08:59:19.945-07:002011-03-28T08:59:19.945-07:00Mai, here is what I don't understand: I ask a ...Mai, here is what I don't understand: I ask a question and you don't answer the direct question. Then, you tell me that you are deeply disturbed by me. Then you say that people are disturbed by you and so you are leaving. <br /><br />????<br /><br />I am not disturbed by your presence here at all! I welcome it! If I gave that impression, I apologize.<br /><br />I hope you will decide to answer my questions. Or maybe someone else will be willing to.<br /><br />As for rights of the fetus.... Remember, you and I have totally different views of what "rights" are and where they come from. I was trying to go with <i>your</i> understanding of rights when I questioned you about your own "denial" of certain people's "rights".<br /><br />Now let's switch to my view of rights: I believe that human rights such as the right to life are <i>inherent</i> in our humanity. Rights are given by God. Just because the United States of America does not recognize the right to life of the unborn does not mean that they don't have that right. They have a right to life. Just as the Jews always did in Germany, regardless of the law. And black people had the right to freedom inherently, even when the laws of the land said they didn't.<br /><br />Catholics believe that human rights are inherent. No government can take away or give inherent rights. Governments are merely supposed to protect people's rights.<br /><br />But your view (I believe) is that rights come and go, according to the society and the government. That there are no "inherent" rights. If I am wrong on that, I will be happy to stand corrected.<br /><br />Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69541952554883159302011-03-28T08:47:21.166-07:002011-03-28T08:47:21.166-07:00leila says:
So, you tell me that the APA still ha...leila says: <br /><i>So, you tell me that the APA still has not approved pedophilia, so you are not a bigot for denying them their sexual "rights". But by that logic, can't I say to you that the citizens of America has still not approved gay marriage, so I can't be a bigot for denying them their sexual "rights", right? How can you have it both ways? I'm seriously asking.</i><br /><br />A few things. It isn't illegal to be black, but when a person says that a black person is somehow less (less intelligent, less worthy, whatever) than a white person, that person is a bigot. Being legal is not the only thing.<br /><br />The other thing about pedophilia is that the other person in the equation is a CHILD who is, but all definitions, not capable of making a legal decision to marry by themselves. Also, continuing to compare homosexuality to pedophilia and to bestiality is so completely belittling of homosexuals, I'm becoming disgusted. Just like you get upset about black people being comapared to homosexuals, I'm getting upset about you implying that homosexuals are sexual deviants like pedophiles or bestiality people. Please, be humane. <br /><br />Leila, you want more "rights" for a fetus. You want the fetus to be declared a whole, living breathing person. I'm saying it should not be. It is the same situation. You want something that isn't in place, and you use words like "right" for that fetus, and you talk about the fetus as if it is already a person. When it isn't. How you can turn around and say I'm being illogical when I use the word "right" to describe the push for gay marriage is completely beyond me. That's how politics and pushing for what you think is correct goes. You are doing it, and then asking me why I'm doing it. Completely irrational.<br /><br />I know people are disturbed by me around here, so I'll let you all argue in peace with people who are more like you.<br /><br />MaiZekeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64263653655162966002011-03-27T22:09:33.636-07:002011-03-27T22:09:33.636-07:00MaiZeke, I actually use the term pro-"choice&...MaiZeke, I actually use the term pro-"choice" (with quotations marks, as it is a euphemism and doesn't actually mean what it implies), not pro-abort. However, I do think there are many in the abortion lobby/leadership who are truly pro-abortion. Maybe not most pro-"choicers", but the leadership? Yes. Read my latest post, where I made the following point:<br /><br /><i>I believe that you don't want abortion. I believe that many liberals don't want abortion. However, the leaders of the pro-"choice" movement are not exactly saying that. They are saying "Abortion on Demand and Without Apology". Some of them call abortion a "sacrament" and a "blessing". The abortion lobby convinced the Democrats to take the "rare" out of "abortion should be safe, legal and rare" in their party platform. Planned Parenthood issues "Choice on Earth" cards, equating (and mocking) the "peace" brought by Christ on our holy day to the "choice" of abortion. <br /><br />Does any of that sound like "abortion isn't good"? I beg you to read what the abortion lobby, the feminist movement, and academia write and think about abortion. </i><br /><br />Also, look at the second video on the post entitled "Watch, and pick a side". Do you think those folks are not pro-abortion? If so, what evidence do you have that they want abortion to be rare, or that it is a tragic "choice"? I don't see any evidence of it, but I am willing to stand corrected if you can show me anything.<br /><br />As to the question of "rights" I think Barbara said a lot of what I would say. I would just add that your vision of what a "right" is is extremely confusing to me. It seems like a "right" is anything anyone wants, as long as enough people vote it in as a "right". And apparently, a "right" is a "right" even <i>before</i> people vote it in as a "right". (You say homosexuals have a "right" to marry, but how can that be, if no one has yet given them that "right"? I thought "rights" were not inherent, but voted on?)<br /><br />So, you tell me that the APA still has not approved pedophilia, so you are not a bigot for denying them their sexual "rights". But by that logic, can't I say to you that the citizens of America has still not approved gay marriage, so I can't be a bigot for denying them their sexual "rights", right? How can you have it both ways? I'm seriously asking.<br /><br />Of course, I see rights as something totally different than you do. But I'm trying to even understand your vision of rights, so please help me out.<br /><br />By the way, you skipped the one example: Aren't you a bigot for denying the "right" of a father and daughter to marry (adults, both)? Why won't you vote them their rights? If you don't that means you are withholding their rights, right?<br /><br />As for the horse, what about this guy? <br /><br />http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/11/sc-man-sent-to-prison-for-again-having-sex-with-horse/1<br /><br />Maybe he wants to marry his horse, instead of being arrested and jailed. And, what about the bestiality farm near Seattle?<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/douglas-spink-arrested-in_n_541379.html<br /><br />Are you a bigot for denying them their rights to have sex how they please?<br /><br />Please, I am seriously asking. If we are bigots, then you are a bigot, too. Or tell me why not.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com