tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post2204994293689353598..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Dissenting Catholics and the question of conscienceLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-25918164240362610772013-01-31T16:55:50.019-07:002013-01-31T16:55:50.019-07:00The Church asks for informed obedience, not blind ...The Church asks for informed obedience, not blind obedience.<br /><br />We are to follow our conscience first. The liberals are right on this point. This is because people can misunderstand the Church's teaching go blindly charging off at full speed in the wrong direction. <br /><br />But we also have an obligation to inform our conscience. To study Church teaching. To try to understand it.<br /><br />So following our conscience is not a license to do what we please, but to seek the truth.waywardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027409209377205921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76281330307493103192012-02-26T08:41:34.649-07:002012-02-26T08:41:34.649-07:00i think you make an interesting point.
the whole ...i think you make an interesting point.<br /><br />the whole conscience thing is misguided and misused. its meant i believe only after lots of prayer, discernment, intentional challenging conversations, and really seeking out the truth w everything you've got. THEN humbly being obedient to God's calling. who many people do you really think do that, and wrestle w truth?<br /><br />instead some catholics choose to use the whole conscience theology to appease their own conscience. and allow them to be tangled in their own sin.maybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729888650736423722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1459635009338857392012-02-26T08:38:02.324-07:002012-02-26T08:38:02.324-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.maybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729888650736423722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-8311871515379279772011-05-18T09:41:11.545-07:002011-05-18T09:41:11.545-07:00Haha, I like the title in the code better than the...Haha, I like the title in the code better than the one on the page. I thought it was a new post...but it's great to be reminded of this reference post!!!Stacy Trasancoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14638075878905614981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-52674091263695188042011-01-04T18:23:04.181-07:002011-01-04T18:23:04.181-07:00Wonderful post!Wonderful post!WheelbarrowRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09786312554610653043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36215308947964077412010-12-30T07:42:58.750-07:002010-12-30T07:42:58.750-07:00Love this post! Bookmarking it!Love this post! Bookmarking it!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966555296621723142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-21517493990591175052010-12-28T19:52:05.785-07:002010-12-28T19:52:05.785-07:00Cathy BB, that is awesome!
Casey, I think that ap...Cathy BB, that is awesome!<br /><br />Casey, I think that approach works well with some (that's what would have worked for me when I was floating around in sin). It depends on the person and the personality type. That's what I've learned... You've got to meet them where they are. <br /><br />But I happen to love the direct approach!!! :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-23027380039064073562010-12-28T19:31:09.683-07:002010-12-28T19:31:09.683-07:00When I talk to people about this issue, I try and ...When I talk to people about this issue, I try and find what is hindering them. <br />What is keeping them from the education or acknowledgement of a well informed conscience? What is keeping them from coming to agreement with Church teaching? <br />Many times it seems to be selfishness. I point out to them that it is also called Pride. "You have met yourself and he is Pride." I usually don't get complimented for my tact! :) <br />But some people just need the direct approach.<br /><br />Am I off base here?<br /><br />Casey in AlaskaCasey in Alaskahttp://caseyinalaska.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84654342687665312132010-12-28T09:22:17.067-07:002010-12-28T09:22:17.067-07:00At our Christmas Masses this year, a donor in our ...At our Christmas Masses this year, a donor in our parish gave each family (~ 1,500 families) a copy of the book, "Confessions of a Mega Church Pastor," about a former Methodist minister's conversion to the Catholic Church. I just read it yesterday (it's a quick read), and it was wonderful!<br /><br />The reason I mention it is that this issue was one of the major points that brought him to Catholicism. He asked himself, how can millions of different people follow their own individual (different) consciences and all be right? How can they all be pleasing God? How can more than 33,000 separate Christian "churches" deciding on their own what is right and wrong all please God? Where is Truth?<br /><br />Cathy BB<br /><br />P.S. The author is Allen Hunt if anyone wants to look it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-22870119701685125692010-12-27T22:16:53.035-07:002010-12-27T22:16:53.035-07:00AMEN!!!!!AMEN!!!!!Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02246642466824704112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-17361572005873436882010-12-27T19:55:39.005-07:002010-12-27T19:55:39.005-07:00Once again excellent post. This supposed conscien...Once again excellent post. This supposed conscience "loophole" has been jumped through by way too many Catholics. I've even heard errant priests endorse it in some kind of misplaced sympathy. Properly formed consciences don't just happen. They are NOT our instincts, inclinations, whims, or habits - it is supposed to be THE VOICE OF GOD. In other words our consciences should tell us what GOD wants which is NOT necessarily what we want. Holiness is the melding of the two minds ours and His - or when we eventually and truly seek what God does. I find this "conscience argument" used mostly for the justification of the use of artificial birth control and am, quite frankly, exhausted by the misinterpretation of what the Church truly teaches. Thanks for the clarification!Danya @ He Adopted Me Firsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00732437893256532188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46222543025953017792010-12-27T10:53:43.846-07:002010-12-27T10:53:43.846-07:00Arlene, exactly right!Arlene, exactly right!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5970914325723921382010-12-27T10:51:56.079-07:002010-12-27T10:51:56.079-07:00From Arlene: I think that this also refers to &quo...From Arlene: I think that this also refers to "natural law". There is a law that God places in our hearts and our consciences that tells us that certain things are right and certain things are wrong. Murder is wrong not only because of the teaching of the Church or Scripture but also natural law. Despite the efforts of many to deceive others and themselves, abortion is not only wrong because the Catholic Church teaches that it is wrong or because Scripture teaches that it is wrong, but also natural law teaches that it is wrong. The same goes for rape, incest, adultery, stealing, and lying.<br />The teaching of the Catholic Church does refer to the primacy of conscience, but it is of informed conscience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12343250730821941512010-12-27T09:52:31.055-07:002010-12-27T09:52:31.055-07:00Wonderful post Leila, and great example Joanna - I...Wonderful post Leila, and great example Joanna - If my pastor is doing something I know to be wrong, then I not obligated to ignore or condone - we are a church not a cult!Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553760391176072177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-57921751682581769902010-12-27T09:24:54.037-07:002010-12-27T09:24:54.037-07:00Brilliant! Thank you Leila. I'm saving this....Brilliant! Thank you Leila. I'm saving this.Stacy Trasancoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14638075878905614981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60122039053897029812010-12-27T09:15:38.208-07:002010-12-27T09:15:38.208-07:00This was the hardest concept to convey to students...This was the hardest concept to convey to students when I taught RCIA. It's the "well-formed" part that was most often ignored.Adriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01562944653624224107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-41828909431157225182010-12-27T09:14:25.124-07:002010-12-27T09:14:25.124-07:00Heh, I love the graphic at the end. I usually refe...Heh, I love the graphic at the end. I usually refer to this mindset as "Jiminy Cricket Catholicism."<br /><br />It makes no sense, really. If a priest claimed that he sexually abused children because his conscience told him that was okay, would "Catholics for a Free Choice" find that acceptable? I think not. It's a very hypocritical stance.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67600951896034862572010-12-27T07:18:32.859-07:002010-12-27T07:18:32.859-07:00This is what I would call a bubble smack down! ;)...This is what I would call a bubble smack down! ;) I love this post and I can not stand Catholics for choice....Sewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09963399196987365207noreply@blogger.com