tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post1981610980501961644..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: We don't need to reinvent the wheelLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger317125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-18197131464315710582013-09-15T06:41:57.412-07:002013-09-15T06:41:57.412-07:00Leila,
I didn't take the lords name in vain. Y...Leila,<br />I didn't take the lords name in vain. You may think so, but thats your thoughts, not mine. But then you said I have the freedom of speech, so what do you do there? Either I do or I don't.<br /><br />Don't care what the red shoes "represent". It's just another in the never ending rationalizations made by catholics. Sorry is that rude? And perhaps he should wear the red shoes for all the blood shed over the years? Or are christians just that much more important than everyone else?<br /><br />And I may never be jailed for telling priest jokes, and you may never be jailed for calling homosexuality a sin. But see I am fairly certain if you and other religious groups had your way I would be jailed for telling priest jokes. Or taking the lords name in vain. I'm fairly certain some here (I wont mention names but I am sure they will know who they are) think killing the homosexuals is a ok. <br /><br />Can I as an openly gay male married to my husband work at a catholic school? The answer is no. But isn't that taking away my livelihood? I mean really what is the difference? I am sure you will attempt to rationalize it away, but I have said before, businesses do not have religions. Unless they are a religious business (schools, selling iconography that kind of stuff).Yes the owners are allowed to practice their religious beliefs, but as the business itself doesn't have one how can they claim it. Did the name of the bakery have Jesus Christ or god or heck even catholic bakery? Best as I can tell nope, nada zip zero.<br />So until you start railing against the recent spate of gays being fired by catholic schools then you get no, zip, zero leeway in whining about the loss of livelihood of others.<br /><br />I hope you understand the difference between saying being homosexual is a sin as opposed to saying it is deviant, abnormal, evil etc. When you admit this we can have a valid and true discussion, until then you have nothing to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-85646415232871281012013-09-13T11:01:28.686-07:002013-09-13T11:01:28.686-07:00Alan, first, never use the name of our Lord in vai...Alan, first, never use the name of our Lord in vain on this site. That is something I will not tolerate.<br /><br />Second: Are you aware that the red shoes represent the blood of the millions of Christian martyrs over the centuries? Holy men and women and children, unjustly murdered for their faith. You should be ashamed.<br /><br />Third, I may not like priest jokes, but it's called freedom of speech. You will never be jailed or ruined for priest jokes, but I may well be jailed or ruined because I wish to live the Catholic Faith that has been the same for 2,000 years. To even speak of homosexuality as a sin may one day land me before a court for "hate speech", and to politely refuse to bake a cake for a gay "wedding" I could lose my livelihood. You may celebrate those things. But I would never advocate you going to jail for telling a priest or Catholic joke. You are free to do so, even though you would be wrong. <br /><br />I sure hope you can see the difference between something being rude but allowed vs. something being punishable by the government.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-35422803569741004972013-09-13T10:53:36.162-07:002013-09-13T10:53:36.162-07:00Many heterosexuals are also capable of sad and sel...<i>Many heterosexuals are also capable of sad and self destructive behavior. Even you catholics.</i><br /><br />I would give all I have (which would, unfortunately, be a subatomic amount versus what would be required) for a comprehensive, reliable and independent study to be undertaken of the behaviors and circumstances of people of various faiths or no faith in society, alongside the behaviors of <i>practising</i> (regularly church going) Catholics. Number of divorces/broken homes, crime and imprisonment rates, mental illness, domestic violence, substance abuse, youth suicide, STDs/AIDS, charitable works, child/sex abuse (including by clergy) and the like. In fact, I would challenge any government wishing to have telling statistics prior to formulating most contemporary public/education policy to commission just such a study - and have its findings released publicly in the interest of better informed public discourse. Now wouldn't that be something!Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-58695110639086104102013-09-13T10:10:56.544-07:002013-09-13T10:10:56.544-07:00and for this Chris:
"Am Not! And it is funny...and for this Chris:<br /><br />"Am Not! And it is funny. It is sad you have this "Accept all things remotely LGBT no matter what, or you're ignorant" Get real! If we can't even speak openly in opposition to something as goofy and ridiculous as this, than how am I supposed to respect you. I'm supposed to treat you different than everyone else and be dishonest about things like this. Sorry."<br /><br />It's not funny, but I see why you think it is.<br />Don't care if you accept all (or any) things remotely LGBT or not. But one can debate without being rude or offensive.<br />How would you feel about a few well placed and hilarious priest and pope jokes? I mean c'mon the last one had red prada shoes for christ sake. Now that stuff is funny.<br /><br />Not looking for your respect, don't care about your respect. I have respect for myself so I don't need yours.<br /><br /><br />Again I have no problem with you speaking in opposition of what I believe. I actually welome and appreciate it. It's what makes America great. But I try to do so in a respectful manner, and I just don't see that is a courtesy you extend. So when you are being ignorant I feel no worry about pointing it out.<br /><br />As for being transgendered, if it is such a small percent then why get your panties in a bunch about it? Will you ever face it? It's about so much more than a man wanting to use the ladies room. Threatening violence toward such folks is hardly helpful.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50911294358544821162013-09-13T10:03:49.987-07:002013-09-13T10:03:49.987-07:00Chris and Leila,
I stand by my statement. Neither ...Chris and Leila,<br />I stand by my statement. Neither of you have proven otherwise.<br /><br />Do you think the majority of muslims are that different than the majority of catholics? Note use of the word majority.<br />As for the plane, I would get on whatever plane I had a ticket for. <br /><br />As for my statement being ignorant Chris, it's not. When one reads your further comments your ignorance shines bright and clear. Note your ignorance. Not catholic ignorance, but just yours. <br /><br />FYI, hate to break this to you but take a good long look around. Many heterosexuals are also capable of sad and self destructive behavior. Even you catholics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-38981047972005790672013-09-12T18:19:57.263-07:002013-09-12T18:19:57.263-07:00Good on you, Chris! Welcome to the 300 Club, lappi...Good on you, Chris! Welcome to the 300 Club, lapping the waters of Truth like dogs! (Judges 7:4f) Through them the victory over the darkness will be realized. (By the way, you're a tad late: the available names for the canines are running out. But you can still choose between Max, Tenacity and Sassy).Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-63712564174025739022013-09-12T17:32:51.915-07:002013-09-12T17:32:51.915-07:00Chris, that is amazing! I am so proud of you! :) I...Chris, that is amazing! I am so proud of you! :) It's not easy to be out of step with our betters in the elite courts and ivory towers of the world,, but putting our name on it does bring a sense of courage and also detachment from wherever that should lead us. (Jail someday? I hate it, but I am sure I am on someone's "list".) Good for you for just being who you are. ;)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-40433315084354613642013-09-12T17:26:20.104-07:002013-09-12T17:26:20.104-07:00And Leila, I decided I can’t stand the “be anonymo...And Leila, I decided I can’t stand the “be anonymous out of fear” thing I told you about before. I’m sick of watching people cower and hide their true positions because they know if what they say becomes public they will be bullied and pointed at and have their bosses threaten them. I’m sick of listening to some people deride, make fun of, mock , laugh at , use horrific language and disrespect TOWARDS gay people in private and then turn around and support Gay marriage and point out and shame anyone who is opposed to anything related to the LGBT agenda. Tons of them, fake , liars who will admittedly be happy to pull the plug on an old gay person because “they are useless, and nobody is even there to miss them”. Yet will gasp at your opposition to changing something that is literally the foundation of society. Well screw it. I’m out of the “fear political correctness" closet. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6391676698261219972013-09-12T17:21:55.186-07:002013-09-12T17:21:55.186-07:00I don't think you are a closeted gay, I think ...I don't think you are a closeted gay, I think you chose your words for comedic affect, and to mock the stereotypical homosexual.<br /><br />Alan, do stereotypical homosexuals feel the need to use womans bathrooms? None that I know! We are talking about .001 percent of folks that have an identity issue. For every person who will be relieved (huh?) to get into the bathroom they "feel" more comfortable in, there will be 25 people doing it for some other voyeuristic or criminal activity. My cop friends just shake their heads at the stupidity. I cant stand it!<br /><br /><br />I think you attempt to be funny, but really it comes off (to me) as ignorant.<br /><br />Am Not! And it is funny. It is sad you have this "Accept all things remotely LGBT no matter what, or you're ignorant" Get real! If we can't even speak openly in opposition to something as goofy and ridiculous as this, than how am I supposed to respect you. I'm supposed to treat you different than everyone else and be dishonest about things like this. Sorry.<br /><br /> I grew up in a very "gay" neighborhood and it's adjacent neighborhood. Worked in a public place with daily personal interaction (beyond the common hellos and goodbyes) with gays for 28 years. I didn't have any horrific experiences or weird issues but did watch and witness a lot of very sad and self-destructive behavior. So whatever my problems, it's not from a lack of cultural exposure or "ignorance" to the plight of poor fellows that can't feel comfortable in the correct bathroom. Bathrooms are for relieving oneself, not for correcting identity sensitivities. Look down your pants! There's the answer ! Now, door A?…or door B? <br /><br /><br />Move to Boston? FYI, Muslim is no more radical a religion than catholicism<br /><br />Now that is unquestionably IGNORANT! That’s so ridiculous. But it very much proves the absolute slavery that relativism creates. <br /><br /><br />Tried watching your video but I wasn't sure I was understanding it and then had to facetime with my husband in Africa.<br /><br />Well, thanks for the try. If you don’t know the movie, forget it.<br /><br />Now! I swear I did not look for this on purpose. I swear this is just an amazing coincidence. I was driving through the old neighborhood yesterday and saw a big advertisement painted on a building for this website: http://fabuloushillcrest.com/<br /><br />Yes! Fabulous , Fabulous , Fabulous! My favorite word. This is the official neighborhood website. So ha!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-73259672597365579242013-09-12T10:02:41.177-07:002013-09-12T10:02:41.177-07:00Yes, Christians are increasingly being politically...Yes, Christians are increasingly being politically branded as "radical elements" of (Western) society who need to be silenced, disenfranchised, put away, run out of town, eradicated, or, more benignly, according to the latest proposals, "re-educated" or "rehabilitated". Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-92181554237615210002013-09-12T09:51:10.338-07:002013-09-12T09:51:10.338-07:00James, in that sense, yes, I agree. Radical meanin...James, in that sense, yes, I agree. Radical meaning "root" and Christ is at the root of ALL things. So yes, it is more radical, and more true, than Islam. Christ and Catholicism is the Truth. <br /><br />But of course, alan meant it very differently. He meant it in terms of "militant" or "dangerous" to free thinking peoples, etc. <br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64828804658777803632013-09-12T09:47:47.581-07:002013-09-12T09:47:47.581-07:00Leila,
Catholicism is far MORE radical a religion...Leila,<br /><br />Catholicism is far MORE radical a religion than Islam. <br /><br />Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God, of one being with the father and humbled himself to die a humiliating death for us. <br /><br />Muslims believe that he was merely a prophet. This view is similar to Arianism, which was rejected as a heresy.<br /><br />The Catholic view (and all its implications) is far more radical.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16426782100196550563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-4689183932178067972013-09-12T08:09:37.359-07:002013-09-12T08:09:37.359-07:00FYI, Muslim is no more radical a religion than cat...<i>FYI, Muslim is no more radical a religion than catholicism</i><br /><br />LOL, alan. Okay.<br /><br />So, you have the choice to get on a long plane ride. One plane is filled with Muslim clerics from Saudi Arabia and the Taliban. The other is full of priests and nuns. Which do you choose? <br /><br />Or, you and your partner have to find a permanent home either in a predominantly Muslim region of the world, or a predominantly Catholic region of the world. Which do you choose? <br /><br />(I actually would not be surprised if you do come back and say that Islam is more peace-loving and tolerant than Catholicism, but I think the average person would understand my point -- there is no comparison.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60766947203449951992013-09-09T07:37:51.396-07:002013-09-09T07:37:51.396-07:00Chris
I was kidding, and I wasn't.
I don't...Chris<br />I was kidding, and I wasn't.<br />I don't think you are a closeted gay, I think you chose your words for comedic affect, and to mock the stereotypical homosexual.<br /><br />I think you attempt to be funny, but really it comes off (to me) as ignorant. <br /><br />Move to Boston? FYI, Muslim is no more radical a religion than catholicism<br /><br />Tried watching your video but I wasn't sure I was understanding it and then had to facetime with my husband in Africa.<br /><br />I'm sure it was about to get funny thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-17331548475716204922013-09-04T18:06:57.733-07:002013-09-04T18:06:57.733-07:00Oh, my! Captcrisis appears to be ignorant of the f...Oh, my! Captcrisis appears to be ignorant of the fact that it was Catholics who <b>founded</b> the university system (just like they did the hospital system) - without which we'd still be in the middle ages where organized/widespread learning was concerned.<br />The good Captain also seems unaware of the reasons why Catholics were forbidden to read (the many erroneously composed/translated) versions of the Bible. <br /><br />Seems the history taught in the Instant School of Google has even more holes in it than I'd imagined!Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36990151515287073172013-09-04T17:45:34.306-07:002013-09-04T17:45:34.306-07:00"I get that you like to make up your own mean...<i><b>"I get that you like to make up your own meanings for words, but I don't."</b></i><br /><br />Bingo!<br /><br />We now have our succinct explanation for at least half of the current histrionics in the world!<br /><br />Thank you, Leila!Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76578479808107773502013-09-04T16:56:09.458-07:002013-09-04T16:56:09.458-07:00Alan, if you can watch this and honestly not laug...Alan, if you can watch this and honestly not laugh, then you have issues. If you can laugh out loud, that will tell me that you are not part of the politically correct living dead.<br />This is one of my all time favorite movies and whoever did the editing is genius. If you know the movie well, it should make you laugh.<br /> <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlQhB2RhX4&feature=youtube_gdata_playerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32438638838267780332013-09-04T16:23:32.441-07:002013-09-04T16:23:32.441-07:00And why are women who are infertile allowed to mar...<i>And why are women who are infertile allowed to marry? </i><br /><br />I feel like we've gone over this a thousand times over the months and years. Because she can still perform the marital act. She can consummate a marriage. And infertility is not always permanent. Many infertile women have conceived. Either way, the act of sexual intercourse is <i>ordered toward</i> procreation, which is the natural end of marital union. <br /><br /><i>I mean an impotent man may be cured without all of the above, why would that alone render him unable to marry?</i><br /><br />Not sure I understand the first part, but impotence renders a man unable to marry because marriage is a conjugal union and he cannot consummate a marriage if he cannot complete the marital act. Even the civil authorities will annul a marriage for non-consummation. <br /><br />As far as "feelings"… way to miss a point, alan! My point was to all the Catholics who think that we should give up the fight about gay "marriage" because it might make people not like us! Who cares? That is not why we fight. It's the misguided Catholics I was talking to: If they acquiesce to the gay lobby's "feelings" and give up, that is not going to have the effect that the misguided Catholics think it will: That suddenly, the gay lobby will "like us"! <br /><br />Wow, you really misunderstood that exchange. <br /><br /><i>Leila said: " The Church and Catholics? I think we are proving here that we have no desire to lead on this issue. We love the white flag, even in our victories. Who on earth would find that appealing?"<br /><br />Alan said: I am not sure what you mean by this. But why should the catholic church lead this country?</i><br /><br />Alan, again, you came into a conversation between Catholics, one who thinks that somehow we will convert or win over folks on the gay "marriage" side if we give up the fight for natural marriage in America. But my point was… NO. Wimping out and joining the zeitgeist has never won over souls. Never. No one will turn to the Church and to Christ by seeing that we cave on issues of natural law and the common good. <br /><br />Hope that helps.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66080139490699155072013-09-04T16:11:25.005-07:002013-09-04T16:11:25.005-07:00Alan, until Chris' latest comment arrived in m...Alan, until Chris' latest comment arrived in my email inbox, I didn't realize you had answered me. It's often hard for me to respond to you because:<br /><br />1) For some reason, your comments in particular do not show up in my email inbox.<br />2) Past 200 comments, that means that when I do realize you've written, I have to load several times and try to search out where your comment is, which is time consuming and frustrating.<br />3) I often don't understand what you are saying and can't follow your logic.<br /><br />So, forgive me that this is days late, and that perhaps I will be finished responding to you if I do find out that you answered.<br /><br /><i>Yes each is different, but at least they are the same species.</i> <br /><br />But of course, I was not talking about cats and cats. I was talking about cats and dogs. And they do not go by the same name. Neither should gay unions go by the name "marriage". They are not the same animal at all. Not even the same species, if you will.<br /><br /><i>And I am not sure why you have such a hard time with this, but I am asking for YOUR definition of natural marriage. Not Hilary's. Why on earth is it so hard for you to verbalize?</i><br /><br />And I am not sure why you are having such a hard time accepting my answer? I said before that I am HAPPY to accept Hillary's definition as MY OWN. She says it beautifully… why should I re-word it if I like it as is? If you ask me the definition of "bubble" or "cane", would you yell if I used Webster's answer? I am sorry, but you make no sense. You seem flustered if I don't make up my own subjective meanings for words. That is odd to me. I get that you like to make up your own meanings for words, but I don't.<br /><br /><i>I wonder why these are all ok but condoms are not. </i><br /><br />No need to wonder. It's simple. Pumps and pills for impotence <i>restore</i> a bodily function and get things working in right order. Condoms do nothing of the sort, and in fact intend the opposite. Hope that helps!<br /><br />To be continued...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-46135596153653234042013-09-04T13:11:38.277-07:002013-09-04T13:11:38.277-07:00Alan...Dude! Are you for real? I was actually laug...Alan...Dude! Are you for real? I was actually laughing at first thinking you were joking. I thought, this is great, Alan's stock is going way up as I read and then...wait ....aaaaahhhhhh! An actual pointed defense of gender neutral bathrooms? And oh no , not the painfully stereotypical gay suspicion that overly masculine males are secretly repressed gay men? First of all, this is Francis' fault for lobbing a big pink grapefruit at me by bringing up gender neutral stuff. Are you mad about at me about making fun of gender neutral bathrooms? Well I am mad. It is fabulously ridiculous. Over the top stupid. I don't even want to hear the argument because I'm sure just hearing it will make me involuntarily breath through my mouth more. I can't take it. Our state is in financial ruin and we are talking about trains running to nowhere and gender neutral bathrooms? Shoot! Me! Now! Please! In a sober world, men would not take this crap. They would go to Sacramento grab all the crayons out of their hands and send them home. From a practical standpoint, if I'm standing outside the girls room and my wife and girls are inside, and some 6' woman with a 5 o'clock shadow, wearing a fabulously designed rose colored dress tries to go in, he is not gonna make it. He better be a three discipline ju-jitsu champ and a small weapons expert because he's not getting past me no matter what the law says. Sorry, arrest me! What have we lost our minds? It's just an equipment identification issue! Stop the madness!<br /> Alan, if that aggressive tone is confirming your preconceived label for me than I'm happy to oblige. Big Mean Hetero Man!! RAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.<br />What's sad Alan, is that's not at all how I actually am but you have this radar on for catch words. I'd don't have as fabulous grammar as you which you have so kindly pointed out before. I need to use mor don't know if I can write something with-out you noticing words that may have hidden indicators of hate and or likely repressed homosexual desire. But I'll press on and hope I don't offend you or divulge my deepest secrets.<br /> I'd love to offer my own psychological profile of you but .....we better not. <br />Your question about " what if I were born Catholic but deep in my heart I knew I was Muslim "? Easy, I'd move to Boston where nobody has the guts to confront me about my radical religious"<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188319685568262029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44290948157950239352013-09-03T14:24:14.178-07:002013-09-03T14:24:14.178-07:00Why do so many people, especially young people, wa...<i>Why do so many people, especially young people, want to do away with religious freedom?</i><br /><br />There is a battle concerning powers and principalities. It has been ever thus. But again, it's not an either/or proposition. Think with the mind of the Church, James. Think about why we defend natural law principles for a whole society. Think of the common good. Think of freedom of religion. Think of the children. We fight on all fronts, James. <br /><br />Again, read Brandon's words in the OP. And read the Lawler article (what did you think of it? It's the article that made Bottum think twice…).<br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-56717871959208998092013-09-03T12:15:42.246-07:002013-09-03T12:15:42.246-07:00Another important question: Why do so many people,...Another important question: <b>Why do so many people, especially young people, want to do away with religious freedom?</b><br /><br />I actually saw this far more with the HHS Mandate than with gay marriage issue, but Obama wins friends by attacking the Church. An increasing number of people support limiting "freedom of religion" to freedom of worship. Perhaps most concerning, the number of people who claim no religion is on the rise.<br /><br />http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16426782100196550563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-24150198685509953162013-09-03T12:11:21.178-07:002013-09-03T12:11:21.178-07:00A libertarian ideal of government also includes en...A libertarian ideal of government also includes enforcing private contract rights. Yes, the government does give married couples certain privileges, but the law sees civil marriage as more like forming a corporation than forming a family. Once again, <b>why would the government keep people from signing a contract?</b> Why is the Church so concerned with tax breaks and property rights?<br /><br />Equating support for gay marriage with radical gay activists is like equating opposition to gay marriage with Fred Phelps. Within the gay community, while nearly everyone wants the right to civil marriage, relatively few want marriage for themselves. Same-sex relationships are generally a rejection of social norms, including the norm of monogamous lifelong partnerships. The same-sex couples who are actually getting married are the unusually stable and committed ones. <br /><br />As for the bakery, threats of violence are mob action, not government action. As for what the government is doing, ALL laws prohibiting private discrimination are problematic. (Essentially, government does not have the power to prevent private discrimination, BUT they DO have the power to regulate private businesses.)<br /><br />My question to you is <b>Why does the mob support gay marriage and oppose the bakers decision not to bake for gay weddings why does the government support the mob?</b> THIS question is the one the Church should be focusing on, not whether two men or two women can be civilly united at the courthouse to get tax breaks and property rights.<br /><br />To conclude, this conversation has shown exactly why the Church has gotten it wrong on civil gay marriage in the United States. They equated US civil marriage with European civil marriage and failed to account for radically different ideas of the role of government in society between the USA and Europe. What is seen as the government's rightful role in promoting social stability in Europe is seen as incredibly intrusive in the USA. What is seen as a normal role of the Church for most Europeans is seen as a religious power grab in the United States. (Conversely, Europeans are horrified at how little the US government does for its citizens, most notably the lack of a universal health care system. They are also horrified at US gun culture. They also find it unusual that the government does not support the religious schools.) The Church is run by theologians, not lawyers or political theorists.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16426782100196550563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-57371313836353346662013-09-03T10:44:47.655-07:002013-09-03T10:44:47.655-07:00Margo, fine it is the objective truth you believe ...Margo, fine it is the objective truth you believe in.<br /><br />It is indeed not more accurate to say I reject the objective truth, because that yet again implies that you know what the objective proof is. You don't.<br /><br />And yes I can say I am completely happy in this life. I need on greater loves than the ones I already have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-30605332939734255632013-09-03T09:08:20.523-07:002013-09-03T09:08:20.523-07:00James, is this part of libertarianism?
http://www...James, is this part of libertarianism?<br /><br /><i>http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/03/todd-american-dispatch-christian-bakery-closes-after-lgbt-threats-protests/</i><br /><br />Please note the government's response to the situation and how they are handling it.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com