tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post1414350111083136979..comments2024-03-09T00:51:33.602-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Half a Quick Takes!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger345125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42892716890776949932013-10-03T08:27:31.164-07:002013-10-03T08:27:31.164-07:00Can't say I'm shocked by your lack of resp...Can't say I'm shocked by your lack of response to a direct question Delta. TypicalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-29267722569770376892013-09-29T07:40:51.094-07:002013-09-29T07:40:51.094-07:00Delta, me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
...Delta, me thinks the lady doth protest too much.<br /><br />As I have said all along you of course have the right to say whatever you want in whatever way you want. That's the great thing about America. So you can use whatever words you want whenever you want. <br /><br />But should you? That's what I have been trying to get you to see.<br /><br />If your words hurt others then you should accept your adult responsibility in that. If your words lead someone to suicide you should accept your adult responsibility in that.<br /><br />My mom, a wise and wonderful catholic woman always taught us that you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. She also taught me that sometimes less is more. <br /><br />So what I am trying to get you to see is sometimes our loving actions cross a line.<br /><br />Now I've answered you directly.....your turn.<br /><br />You understand that I am not a practicing catholic? <br />You understand that as such I do not have to follow the rules of the catholic church?<br />You realize that I have the right to not hear what your opinions of sin and my behavior are?<br />You realize that what I do is none of your business?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-23781807990421085802013-09-28T11:37:23.705-07:002013-09-28T11:37:23.705-07:00Alan- This is beyond rediculous. Answer the ques...Alan- This is beyond rediculous. Answer the question. Can I say what I want to or not? I refuse to engage in any more deflections about things I've said to Bill or whatnot. Telling me I'm responsible for suicide or need to be silent amongst gay persons says to me that you wish me to remain silent. I dont say discussing the beauty of gay sex turns people gay or how you should watch your language around theists. So please grant me the courtsey of once and for all that rather you think its prudent or not I should be allowed to speak.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66101485931036899892013-09-28T07:35:48.949-07:002013-09-28T07:35:48.949-07:00Delta to Bill:
"Come back and talk when you&...Delta to Bill:<br /><br />"Come back and talk when you're ready to listen instead of desiring that i have no voice in the public arena. I dont care to listen to someone who only wants to hear themselves talk"<br /><br />these are words you should take to your own heart.<br />You have not even attempted to read what I am writing. It's ok, it's your way.<br /><br />Yes you are correct, marriages can be arranged. You say they are real marriages, I don't disagree with that. But those marriages are not created for children either. It's generally a contract between families. <br /><br />People in this modern age don't ask if you loved your spouse because it is assumed you would not marry someone you didn't love.<br /><br />Now lets see if you can understand and answer a question.<br /><br />You do understand that I am not forced to believe in the catholic church right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-22440581454198408432013-09-27T15:32:18.998-07:002013-09-27T15:32:18.998-07:00Deltaflute,
When I was living and working in Indi...Deltaflute,<br /><br />When I was living and working in India, some of my Hindu colleagues would tell me intriguing tales about their saints, and how those saints had acquired their knowledge and wisdom from some great guru or another. But one common element in so many of these tales was that the guru never imparted any of his knowledge to a novice student, without first ordering him/her to fulfill some rigorous and testing task or discipline, often over an extended period of time! I used to wonder why these gurus always proved so difficult to please and why they wouldn't just share their knowledge with anyone who sought it off them! Were they mean and egotistical characters or what? How wrong I was to think that! How little I understood at the time how things like this actually work! It took me years to realize that someone who treats knowledge and wisdom as just a passing curiosity, easily acquired and largely optional to their lives, instead of an essential ingredient to leading a good and meaningful life, never really acquires it. Which is why the guru would always "prepare" his student in one way or another, to receive and apply his wisdom. Jesus Himself alluded to this when He counseled His disciples: "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" (Matt 7:6). <br /><br />It's counter intuitive, but people do have to feel a need for something first, like a hunger for absolute truths or wisdom, and be prepared to pay/work for it, if they are to appreciate it or use it.<br /><br />Another way I learned this was during my role in price setting in the corporate world. If you provide something for free or for too cheap, no matter how valuable that something might be, it'll never receive the importance or respect it deserves. People will grab whatever it is and soon enough chuck it in a bottom drawer someplace, rarely to be viewed or used again. But put a big price tag on something or wait until someone is in a bind and really needs it, then watch how avidly the thing is taken up, valued and used! <br /><br />It's an unfortunate trait in our human nature to run on our own steam - until it starts to run out on us. Then, floundering along life's path, we start to flail about for anything that will restore or save us. People who aren't experiencing suffering don't need saving. And those that do will often turn blindly to one ism or another in their quest for relief. Only those graced with enough humility to accept an authority higher than themselves will turn to God and to His Church and therein find the "peace such as the world cannot give." Yeah, all too often, things have to get worse for us before they start to get better. And don't I know it personally, from the topsy turvy ferris wheel of my own past life! Ha! If only I knew then what I know and appreciate now!Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12460574151084996712013-09-27T13:54:54.238-07:002013-09-27T13:54:54.238-07:00Francis- thanks. Sometimes i think if i keep eng...Francis- thanks. Sometimes i think if i keep engaging there will be a break through, an ah-ha moment. But its naive me to think I will see the fruits of labor. It isnt my labor anyway. It's Jesus's. To Him be the Glory.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-70443641352394933462013-09-27T13:36:00.583-07:002013-09-27T13:36:00.583-07:00I'm not here to listen to someone who thinks I...<i>I'm not here to listen to someone who thinks I'm crazy and whatnot.</i><br /><br />I'm just trying to convince you that not all the people that you think go to hell do. You are being far too scrupulous. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-74051477495414394052013-09-27T12:54:24.225-07:002013-09-27T12:54:24.225-07:00Maybe Leila or Francis will have more patience.
D...<i>Maybe Leila or Francis will have more patience.</i><br /><br />Deltaflute, speaking for myself, I've learned that it's productive to converse with people who're keen to (further) explore truth and beauty (and there are still many), while it's pretty much a waste of time offering to share any knowledge or wisdom (especially the transcendental sort) with those who (claim to) already have it all together quite adequately in their lives. You've said your piece admirably and have largely been rejected out of hand by people like Bill S notably. Not to worry. Your duty towards your fellow man is done, your genuine love expressed, even if unsolicited and unwanted. God Himself "came unto His own, and His own knew Him not." <br /><br />Only when some of the foundational things that are currently teetering on the brink in this world - the environment, the economy, freedom and security, peace and harmony, families and communities - start to really fall over the cliff (all due to the fault of wicked, haranguing Catholicism, no doubt) , will people be begging you for higher wisdoms as to how things might once again be set aright. Meanwhile they'll continue to stare impotently at the 6 o'clock news, while we patiently bear all this cynicism, ridicule - and growing persecution. It's a well known tragic old routine in a pagan culture that is in its death throes.Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-74650159523186964722013-09-27T12:54:16.951-07:002013-09-27T12:54:16.951-07:00Francis- awesome reminder. St. Terese often ref...Francis- awesome reminder. St. Terese often referred to herself as little. I try diligently to remember that although to my children I seem big in the grand scheme of things I am oh so little in the eyes of Jesus. My part to play in the salvation of souls is the size of a grain of sand.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-63899981240215656692013-09-27T12:21:27.613-07:002013-09-27T12:21:27.613-07:00How often the self assured and self aggrandizing m...How often the self assured and self aggrandizing man pats himself on the back and declares to all and sundry how good he is, what a great guy, etc... in need of nothing and no one greater than his own prowess and puerile philosophies.<br /><br />While the humble, thinking person readily admits how limited are his own intellect and abilities, how little he knows in the great scheme of things (all his academic accomplishments notwithstanding), how hard he struggles to be selfless, blameless and noble in all things and how he has to constantly work at resisting the wanton, base and dissipating passions of his own flesh and ego.<br /><br />The American theologian Fr John Harding was once asked what might be the three greatest virtues to cultivate if one wanted to get to heaven. How rightly did he respond, "Humility, humility and humility."Francis Choudhuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146223983345452362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53216334739089156512013-09-27T12:17:03.981-07:002013-09-27T12:17:03.981-07:00Alan- do you even here how contadictory that soun...Alan- do you even here how contadictory that sounds? First you say "you can say what you want" but then turn around and say that I cant followed with an example of how I should conduct myself. So can I say what I want and conduct myself in a manner pleasing to God or not? Pick one.<br /><br />I didnt talk about love because love is not relavant in marriage. People have arranged marriages. They are still marriages. When I talk about my marriage love never comes up. Never. Usually its what does your husband do? How long you been married? How did you meet? Love never comes up. But then I dont work and usually the people I encounter are women usually moms or caregivers. We talk mostly about children. And today about community life.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-9747902158732496312013-09-27T12:14:49.857-07:002013-09-27T12:14:49.857-07:00If you choose to willfully disobey God's law t...<i>If you choose to willfully disobey God's law that states a man shall not lie with another man then you fracture that relationship.</i><br /><br />How does something that some primitive homophobic Jewish scribe writes on a scroll become something that God said? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-1978139872572323502013-09-27T12:07:26.343-07:002013-09-27T12:07:26.343-07:00Bill- free will. You can choose whatever path yo...Bill- free will. You can choose whatever path you wish. But there are consequences. Wouldn't you like to know what those are? Isnt that the point of this whole dialogue? Oh wait you're here to put me back in my place. Silly me. You dont care. <br /><br /> At this point I'm done. I'm not here to listen to someone who thinks I'm crazy and whatnot. Come back and talk when you're ready to listen instead of desiring that i have no voice in the public arena. I dont care to listen to someone who only wants to hear themselves talk. Maybe Leila or Francis will have more patience.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-59293448122780442782013-09-27T11:29:23.646-07:002013-09-27T11:29:23.646-07:00Hey Leila,
Do you have a problem with any of the O...Hey Leila,<br />Do you have a problem with any of the One Million Mom's boycotts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76882542568809493852013-09-27T11:20:42.662-07:002013-09-27T11:20:42.662-07:00Delta, I have said you have the right to say what ...Delta, I have said you have the right to say what you feel. Never have I said you don't have that right. I've also tried to impressed upon you that at some point telling someone what you think is wrong crosses the line into harassment. <br /><br />Lets ask this. I have a christian friend. We used to work together and a group of us still stay friendly and get together occasionally. Usually at her house. I am welcome with open arms as is my husband. I know her feelings on religion and sin. Should she remind me every time I enter her house that I am living in sin? Should she allow both me and my husband into her home?<br /><br />If she tells me every time I see her, or we have an exchange that can be construed as harassment. Plus we would not remain friends.<br /><br />And when have I said you were wrong? I've said I disagree, but I don't think I have said you are wrong. If I have it was a bad word choice.<br /><br />You said you married your husband to have children. You didn't say you loved him until later. It's very common to get to the assumption I did. When I tell people why I married my husband I first say I loved him, and then say I wanted to create a life together with him. And when I say life I don't mean baby, like many couples we decided not to have children. But we are still building a life together, as a team, one unit, joined.<br /><br />It's funny though that you are now claiming I am bullying you. Especially when you aren't reading what I am writing.<br /><br />And yes, being a great guy simply is enough, regardless of whether or not I was baptized. I disagree with what you call the truth. So yeah I think being a good person for the sake of it is much better than being a good person for some reward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86721884966390171252013-09-27T11:16:52.845-07:002013-09-27T11:16:52.845-07:00Fact is you know you were baptized and as far as m...<i>Fact is you know you were baptized and as far as morality is concerned you are held to a different standard.</i><br /><br />Are you trying to tell me that, because I was baptized a Catholic, I cannot become an atheist? Are you saying that I have to keep going to mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation and I can't eat meat during Lent?<br /><br />But I don't believe in any of that. So, I'm not going to follow those rules. I don't know why I feel that I need you to agree with that. All I have to do is tell you that you don't know what you are talking about. It just kind of creeps me out that someone really believes that. I suppose you could be right. Nah!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-70935755227488205712013-09-27T11:15:38.582-07:002013-09-27T11:15:38.582-07:00http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/barilla-p...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/barilla-pasta-anti-gay_n_3995679.html<br /><br />This is scary. The guy didn't even say anything terrible, and he's been bullied into silence and retreat. What a bunch of bullies! This is the future, unless people get a backbone.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-58392123757463649932013-09-27T10:56:38.651-07:002013-09-27T10:56:38.651-07:00Bill- whaa? You are comparing papal laws from 18...Bill- whaa? You are comparing papal laws from 1850s to your salvation? If you're going to get mad get mad at your mother or father or whoever had you baptized. Fact is you know you were baptized and as far as morality is concerned you are held to a different standard. I would think knowing the fullness of Truth would be a good thing. Wouldnt you like to know just what your moral culpibility is especially since you are bent on committing sin? Silly me I thought you were seeking knowledge about Catholicism. But I guess you really dont want to know these things. You just want to attempt to tear it all to shreds. I feel sorry for you.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-17613356002775909912013-09-27T10:17:19.818-07:002013-09-27T10:17:19.818-07:00I assume you were baptized catholic so the standar...<i>I assume you were baptized catholic so the standard that applies to me applies to you also. You cant simply be just a great guy.</i><br /><br />That's the kind of thinking that caused Pius IX to take a little boy away from his Jewish parents because when he got sick his Catholic nanny baptized him for fear that he would die and go to hell if she didn't. Having been baptized by a Catholic, the Pope would not allow him to be raised as a Jew. That is the kind of nonsense you are peddling by saying because Alan or I or my sons were baptized Catholic, it isn't enough for us to just be great guys. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-49493617263835488112013-09-27T09:39:02.319-07:002013-09-27T09:39:02.319-07:00Alan- * sigh* telling someone they are wrong is ...Alan- * sigh* telling someone they are wrong is not harrassment. Telling a person to stop telling me I'm wrong is essentially saying to shut up. If you dont want to listen then dont. You've been telling me that I'm wrong all along. I never called it harrassment. If thats what you want to say than do so. In response i will keep saying the truth because i refuse to be bullied into shutting up. Bullying me would be making me responsible for someone elses suicide or telling me what i can and cannot say.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-62217933612111423982013-09-27T09:29:03.900-07:002013-09-27T09:29:03.900-07:00Alan- you've never really affirmed my right t...Alan- you've never really affirmed my right to say what I want. What I get is "say its against your religion and nothing more" and you are responsible for people committing suicide. You are harrassing people. That is telling me to shut up.<br /><br />I did marry my husband to have children with him. I never said i didnt love him. You said that.<br /><br />The Church teaches that a person who does not know the fullness of truth but sincerely seek God ie try to be a good person according to what they kniw are saved. Those who have been told or educated in the Truth have a higher bar. They have to follow God's law in order to be saved. Anyone who was baptized Catholic is at the highest bar. Must attend Mass on holy days and be married in the Church.<br /><br />I assume you were baptized catholic so the standard that applies to me applies to you also. You cant simply be just a great guy.Deltaflutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489950329698009256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-77746423756278484302013-09-27T09:09:48.857-07:002013-09-27T09:09:48.857-07:00oh and Leila, you also understand that the origina...oh and Leila, you also understand that the original settlers were fleeing The Church of Englands power in the mother country....right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76980977466427434152013-09-27T09:07:56.908-07:002013-09-27T09:07:56.908-07:00Leila you wrote about our country "that was ...Leila you wrote about our country "that was founded on religious liberty".<br />Finally we agree on something. <br />However, the point you seem to miss is that religious liberty actually also includes having no religion. <br />DO you at least agree with that?<br />If so maybe we will finally begin to find common ground.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67205957535412368992013-09-27T09:04:46.270-07:002013-09-27T09:04:46.270-07:00Delta, am I one of your children? Do you think I n...Delta, am I one of your children? Do you think I need you to tell me if what I am doing is right or wrong? <br />If I tell you something you are doing is wrong do you have to agree with me?<br />How many times can I tell you that what you are doing is wrong? <br />And please lets keep in mind that just because you think it is wrong that doesn't make it wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-13828971795341550762013-09-27T09:01:17.485-07:002013-09-27T09:01:17.485-07:00Delta,
What you see and what was written are diffe...Delta,<br />What you see and what was written are different things. I wish you could see that.<br /><br />You said you "I married my husband to have children with him." I didn't take that out of context. <br />Most of us have had more than one romantic love. And yes hopefully we all married the right person. I can tell you I married the right person.<br /><br />And could you expound on "eing a good person when you've heard the truth matters little. "<br />I really have no idea what this means.<br />I still find it sad that the only reason you seem to find to do good in this world is to get to heaven. Seems a little selfish to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com