tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post5696383901796329082..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Quick Takes: The delightful, surprising edition!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32160437379316633222013-11-21T09:34:59.287-07:002013-11-21T09:34:59.287-07:00It's counterintuitive to not believe in intell...It's counterintuitive to not believe in intelligent design. But I don't see the next step to be to credit it all to the God of the Bible. Sorry. That is a dead end in my pursuit of the right path to the truth. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-88463826094766429022013-11-21T08:20:09.874-07:002013-11-21T08:20:09.874-07:00"I am still amazed at how this could all be w..."I am still amazed at how this could all be without a supernatural creator."<br /><br />Right, because instinctively you know that would be unreasonable. ;)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-29591789530088097302013-11-21T04:46:42.905-07:002013-11-21T04:46:42.905-07:00Lisa. Really? You don't want to get me going....Lisa. Really? You don't want to get me going. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20042382580891794912013-11-21T04:35:01.245-07:002013-11-21T04:35:01.245-07:00Like #%^* or get off the pot. Fish or cut bait. In...Like #%^* or get off the pot. Fish or cut bait. In or out. <br /><br />We accept some things as truths but are skeptical about others. This is true. If you tell me you own a silver Mercedes, I am likely to believe you without checking into it. If you then tell me that a man rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, I'm going to have to examine the evidence. <br /><br />But I am worst than that now. I just say that owning a silver Mercedes doesn't require divine intervention and Leila wouldn't lie about something like that. Rising from the dead does. Since there is no such thing as divine intervention, Leila is either lying or delusional. <br /><br />I am still examining evidence that the supernatural does exist. I brought back <i>Nothing Short of a Miracle</i> and I am re-reading <i> A Universe from Nothing</i> because I am still amazed at how this could all be without a supernatural creator. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-72364131680519048732013-11-20T19:31:35.133-07:002013-11-20T19:31:35.133-07:00Bill, not to stir anything up again, but what Leig...Bill, not to stir anything up again, but what Leighton says from 29:11 to 29:44…. it made me think of you. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12582615173520442472013-11-18T19:43:21.192-07:002013-11-18T19:43:21.192-07:00Congratulations! What happy news! It is always fun...Congratulations! What happy news! It is always fun having a new baby in the family.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05155500364598716746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-26196364819356483052013-11-18T11:53:40.395-07:002013-11-18T11:53:40.395-07:00Oh! And CONGRATULATIONS on your coming grandchild!...Oh! And CONGRATULATIONS on your coming grandchild! What happy news! :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08701043942979791482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-59936274600946324482013-11-18T11:52:25.630-07:002013-11-18T11:52:25.630-07:00Wow. I am a bit embarrassed to be singled out, bu...Wow. I am a bit embarrassed to be singled out, but I also very happy that they were so encouraging for you. My words were sincere and I was glad to have the opportunity to thank you for the role you (and your blog) has played in deepening my faith. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08701043942979791482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36167094530260483192013-11-18T04:57:02.042-07:002013-11-18T04:57:02.042-07:00I've learned about Catholics is that they cons...<i>I've learned about Catholics is that they consider their faith by definition to be infallible.<br /><br />So I wonder what you are trying to accomplish by constantly objecting to their premises?</i><br /><br />Johanne,<br /><br />I get it. You're right. I got myself in a do loop. Thanks. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-11211780257488877832013-11-18T04:23:48.292-07:002013-11-18T04:23:48.292-07:00Bill has, of course, accepted supernatural explana...<i>Bill has, of course, accepted supernatural explanation, only to revoke that within 24 hrs, only to accept it 50% then following day, etc.</i><br /><br />This is true. I cannot deny it. The Big Bang seems to be like "Let there be light" very supernatural. All of the things that had to happen for us to be here seem beyond just nature and therefore supernatural. Miraculous healings defy the laws of probability and therefore appear to be from a supernatural source. Other than that, I don't believe in the supernatural. <br /><br />To me, there are no gods, angels, demons, saints, heaven, hell, incarnation, virgin births, walking on water, multiplication of loaves and fishes, resurrections, ascensions or assumptions. <br /><br />So I don't know what percent of the supernatural I believe in. But it was nice discussing it with you. Peace. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-57549826611005794992013-11-17T18:42:46.614-07:002013-11-17T18:42:46.614-07:00Yes, love seeing the photos!Yes, love seeing the photos!Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86576609276012117112013-11-17T17:54:11.232-07:002013-11-17T17:54:11.232-07:00Untrue. Perhaps you don't follow every exchan...Untrue. Perhaps you don't follow every exchange- Bill has, of course, accepted supernatural explanation, only to revoke that within 24 hrs, only to accept it 50% then following day, etc. If we can get the weather vane to stop spinning, we'd be able to get into deeper logical discussion. <br /><br />I don't argue to be right, I argue to think through. Nice takeaway, though.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-21954306935593825462013-11-17T17:40:01.664-07:002013-11-17T17:40:01.664-07:00@nubby
For Bill to admit to a supernatural explana...@nubby<br />For Bill to admit to a supernatural explanation is an important concession. You don't seem to be interested in responding to him unless he concedes that he is wrong on every point and you are right.<br />@leila<br />Not what I was taught about Jesus, but popular Catholicism often does not follow the language of professional theologians. You did get me to look up "hypostatic", though!captcrisishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385724098209530784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-40969290832411086522013-11-17T14:42:39.658-07:002013-11-17T14:42:39.658-07:00"The origin of life, and even more mysterious...<i>"The origin of life, and even more mysterious, consciousness, are no where close to being explained by science. That could possibly be considered to be supernatural." </i><br /><br /><i>Bill keeps throwing you lifelines like this and you ignore them. I see prospect of some common ground here.</i>"<br /><br />My two cents: A "lifeline" would be an entry point into a discussion where the argument has turned a <i>new</i> corner, a point has been conceded, or challenged, and it can, therefore, be discussed and broken down from a new logical perspective along the trail. <br /><br />Chasing ideas all day, back and forth, will not nail down common ground. Ideas have to be captured, argued, supported, refuted, conceded, whatever. I, personally, opt out when I don't see progress in the discourse.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-35711083895100253112013-11-17T14:35:11.969-07:002013-11-17T14:35:11.969-07:00@ Bill
At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I wo...@ Bill<br /><br />At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I would like to ask you what your purpose is on this blog? I am not Catholic but I still feel impatience at the repetitive nature of your posts. I wish you the best and think you have some good points to make. But, as a non-believer, I learned a long time ago that the best use of this blog is learning more about Catholics and their faith (plus hanging out with some very nice people).<br /><br />Nothing you say will change their faith. Has that not sunk in yet? The most important thing I've learned about Catholics is that they consider their faith by definition to be infallible.<br /><br />So I wonder what you are trying to accomplish by constantly objecting to their premises? That's not a rhetorical question, I really wonder. You said this is the only blog you haven't been kicked off of. What happened on the other blogs?<br /><br />God Bless.Johannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861467738117604139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-80605353541459734312013-11-17T14:03:48.436-07:002013-11-17T14:03:48.436-07:00Whoops, that should say: "...but that does no...Whoops, that should say: "...but that does not mean He is "one-third" God"Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-14314538765265817852013-11-17T14:02:06.467-07:002013-11-17T14:02:06.467-07:00captcrisis, look a little closer. Check my comment...captcrisis, look a little closer. Check my comment at 9:33. Nothing there was addressed. Addressing those questions would have advanced the discussion. Instead (as he does very often), Bill reverted back to, "You think you're right but you're not! You are ignorant." That is a dialogue killer. The dialogue ends.<br /><br />Yes, he did respond to Nubby about the possibility of the supernatural. Yes, indeed. I left that for Nubby to answer, because I have heard him say that before and even addressed it before. He often says that there could be a supernatural something, but then just as quickly reverses himself. So, that has been proven to be a rabbit trail. I largely ignore those kinds of statements because they are reversed quickly (or overridden by "But<i> I </i>don't believe in anything supernatural").<br /><br />Round and round and round, it gets tiring, honestly.<br /><br /><i>I like how you engage non-Christians but just to say over and over "Jesus is God" is not engagement. </i><br /><br />Um, when did I do this? If this is the substance of the discussions on this blog, then you would have been long gone, no? The reason we keep speaking of Jesus to Bill is because <i>he clearly has said that he is asking for Jesus' mercy, he trusts in Jesus, etc.</i>. This Jesus whom he loves, we are addressing. We are explaining that he needs to understand who Jesus is, who He claims to be. I would never say "Jesus is God" to you over and over again, because it would not make sense in the context of our conversations or your beliefs.<br /><br />And forgive me, but yes indeed, Catholic doctrine does hold that "Jesus is God". He is certainly one of the Three Persons of the Godhead, but that doesn't not mean He is "one-third" God. Nor does His hypostatic union mean that He is half God, half human. I think you misunderstand the doctrine of the Trinity. <br /><br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20925705427462912932013-11-17T13:08:16.167-07:002013-11-17T13:08:16.167-07:00@leila
"The origin of life, and even more my...@leila<br /><br />"The origin of life, and even more mysterious, consciousness, are no where close to being explained by science. That could possibly be considered to be supernatural."<br /><br />Bill keeps throwing you lifelines like this and you ignore them. I see prospect of some common ground here.<br /><br />I like how you engage non-Christians but just to say over and over "Jesus is God" is not engagement. It's not even true in terms of Catholic doctrine. Jesus is only one of the three "persons" in the Trinity which make up God. The Catholic idea of God is not simple as you make it out to be.<br /><br />It's not even true in terms of Jesus. Jesus is not just God; he was also equally a human being. That is probably the oldest Christian doctrine, set in place by Athanasius.<br /><br />Alsocaptcrisishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385724098209530784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-62320611321078227052013-11-17T12:32:02.391-07:002013-11-17T12:32:02.391-07:00haha- i know... Chewing the fat on a good argumen...haha- i know... Chewing the fat on a good argument is fun and good, but like you said, there has to be an angle to argue.<br /><br />Congrats on your future Grannyhood! Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6265793892698018332013-11-17T12:18:51.986-07:002013-11-17T12:18:51.986-07:00Meaning you are wise and know when to stop at futi...Meaning you are wise and know when to stop at futility! :) I need to take your lead.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86947252377867157732013-11-17T12:17:07.283-07:002013-11-17T12:17:07.283-07:00hey, hey, hey, HEY! What's that implying!? j...hey, hey, hey, HEY! What's that implying!? jk<br /> ;)Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27788500002883328682013-11-17T12:08:31.122-07:002013-11-17T12:08:31.122-07:00Yeah, this is getting a bit old now. Bill, if you ...Yeah, this is getting a bit old now. Bill, if you ever wish to continue to discuss this, feel free to email me: mbasso@mail.bradley.edu and consider perusing my own blog (click on my name). God bless :)Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456678968658724716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-35092656574563868372013-11-17T11:56:47.490-07:002013-11-17T11:56:47.490-07:00Honestly, Bill, I am getting weary of your repeati...Honestly, Bill, I am getting weary of your repeating the same things, which amount to "You think you're right but you're not!" That is not a dialogue, and I am pretty much done hearing it. It is filling up the comboxes on many of my posts, but it is ultimately meaningless and does nothing to advance the conversation or enlighten anyone. Please stop. We get your position. When even Nubby is done, that's a pretty good signal that we've wrung this thing dry. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-60167637843244287312013-11-17T11:52:49.162-07:002013-11-17T11:52:49.162-07:00How can Jesus be God and not God at the same time?...How can Jesus be God and not God at the same time? Don't you see that it has to be one or the other? Where's the disconnect?Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456678968658724716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86758134331794697062013-11-17T11:49:54.691-07:002013-11-17T11:49:54.691-07:00Leila and Margo,
The is virtually no chance that ...Leila and Margo,<br /><br />The is virtually no chance that yours is the only correct worldview and all others are wrong. Sure, your worldview makes you feel that you know something of which the rest of the world is ignorant. But that in itself is ignorant. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.com