tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post3392245084962178953..comments2024-03-21T04:02:46.799-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Are we really "fringe" Catholics?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger143125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-5097985333269055872015-03-04T10:50:08.433-07:002015-03-04T10:50:08.433-07:00Yeah, I'm not sure, either?Yeah, I'm not sure, either?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-71440297446204819932015-03-04T10:21:50.863-07:002015-03-04T10:21:50.863-07:00Jim, forgive me, but are you being sarcastic? I ho...Jim, forgive me, but are you being sarcastic? I honestly can't tell.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-47666916497274090642015-03-01T09:27:15.533-07:002015-03-01T09:27:15.533-07:00At least fringe Catholics are not throwing the bab...At least fringe Catholics are not throwing the baby out with the bath water -- they are still staying in touch with the role model that Jesus was.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302807118039998888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-83889244435941101932013-03-17T13:19:46.844-07:002013-03-17T13:19:46.844-07:00'why would anyone want to' become Catholic...'why would anyone want to' become Catholic'?....with such dwindling numbers and with so many 'cafeteria' Catholics...many issues have to be truly examined because most are issues of discipline not doctrine. Discipline is like 'policy' and can be and has been changed when the Catholic Church decided to do so.Christiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01247519802239228499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-55765429508900504702012-06-12T09:09:31.288-07:002012-06-12T09:09:31.288-07:00The term "fringe" is misapplied to Catho...The term "fringe" is misapplied to Catholics, and its use reveals someone who does not understand the nature of the Church. We either believe what the Catholic Church teaches or we do not. We are Catholics or we are not. If even a huge majority within the structure of the Church does not believe in her teachings, they do not the "mainstream" and believers the "fringe."Robert Beaurivagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317435681490152461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20091414277445048642012-05-08T15:26:24.897-07:002012-05-08T15:26:24.897-07:00GMRUNNER, it's kind of interesting that you vi...GMRUNNER, it's kind of interesting that you view the faith as being passed on from America to the Chinese, etc. Catholicism had been in Shanghai for about 350 years before the communists attempted to destroy the Church and drive her underground in the 1950s. That's a lot longer than the United States has even been around. Given how much American identity-- both in the colonial period and the Early National period-- has predicated itself on "anti-Popery" to a very real degree, one might argue that the United States has *always* been mission territory that sees Catholicism as an outside and foreign entity ("Know Nothings," anyone?). Interestingly enough, we get Indian and African priests in our parishes. So they are bringing the faith to <i>us</i> and evangelizing <i>us</i> as much as any faithful American Catholics may be evangelizing them.Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12174216931994007781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6167649741366322362012-05-08T15:14:05.974-07:002012-05-08T15:14:05.974-07:00GMRunner, what some might see as decline might wel...GMRunner, what some might see as decline might well be necessary pruning. Christ never promised us a large Church; He only promised us that the gates of Hell would not prevail against her.Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12174216931994007781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-83496884510312777832012-04-25T09:12:51.338-07:002012-04-25T09:12:51.338-07:00aclark, I sincerely hope you're not a drive-by...aclark, I sincerely hope you're not a drive-by Protestant. I would love to see your response to Leila's questions and continue the conversation.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-84127060381868322432012-04-25T08:33:44.541-07:002012-04-25T08:33:44.541-07:00The only true "religion" is the one that...<i>The only true "religion" is the one that is founded entirely upon the teaching and preaching of God's Word.</i><br /><br />By the way, I agree. The teaching and preaching (written and oral, as St. Paul said, 2 Thess 2:15)) are the traditions we are to follow. Jesus did not write a single word of Scripture with his Incarnate hand. Nor did the majority of the Apostles. They were told to "preach" the Gospel to the world, and they did, just as the successors to the Apostles do to this day. Thank God the Church also gave us an inerrant written account of much of the teaching and preaching of our Lord and the Apostles, and thank God the Church that Christ founded discerned, preserved, copied and then canonized those sacred books of her Scripture. (This all happened many long centuries before Luther and the idea of sola scriptura were even thought of.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-6724198168330458502012-04-25T08:29:09.530-07:002012-04-25T08:29:09.530-07:00Aclark, please see below, the last comment, where ...Aclark, please see below, the last comment, where I have answered you. I have a hard time finding these comments unless they are at the bottom, in linear fashion. Sorry and thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-18248822090929390582012-04-25T08:28:02.568-07:002012-04-25T08:28:02.568-07:00Actually, the Catholic church was founded by men, ...<i>Actually, the Catholic church was founded by men, as well. The only written record man has from God is the Bible, where you read about Christ's earthly ministry, teaching, life, death and resurrection. Many, many teachings and practices of the Catholic Church are found nowhere in Scripture. And if it's not found in Scripture, then it's man made. The only true "religion" is the one that is founded entirely upon the teaching and preaching of God's Word. Denomination and opinion don't matter at all - only God's Word matters.</i><br /><br />aclark, where did the New Testament come from (how did it get in your hands)? Also, which men founded the Catholic Church in your opinion? And, why do you suppose that the Bible says that the church is the "pillar and foundation of truth"?<br /><br />And, you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, correct? The Bible is the <i>written</i> Word, but Jesus Christ is <i>the</i> Word, wouldn't you agree?<br /><br />Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-30991241678543794812012-04-25T08:15:37.378-07:002012-04-25T08:15:37.378-07:00Actually, the Catholic church was founded by men, ...Actually, the Catholic church was founded by men, as well. The only written record man has from God is the Bible, where you read about Christ's earthly ministry, teaching, life, death and resurrection. Many, many teachings and practices of the Catholic Church are found nowhere in Scripture. And if it's not found in Scripture, then it's man made. The only true "religion" is the one that is founded entirely upon the teaching and preaching of God's Word. Denomination and opinion don't matter at all - only God's Word matters.aclarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07083389503925364810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-43176809084987609742012-04-24T22:33:48.278-07:002012-04-24T22:33:48.278-07:00Michelle, great points and no, it's never too ...Michelle, great points and no, it's never too late to comment! Love your story!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86175087175370573972012-04-24T19:09:27.684-07:002012-04-24T19:09:27.684-07:00I'm just now reading all these comments. Very...I'm just now reading all these comments. Very interesting. Too late to comment?<br />I was a bad Catholic, I guess you'd say, up until a couple of years ago. I had one foot in the protestant churches and one foot in the Catholic church, the Church of my youth. I think it was due to horrible, horrible education growing up. I certainly didn't get educated in CCD. My mom didn't teach me much - I think she assumed I was getting it at CCD as she did as a child. In my 20's I was hungering and thirsting for information on how to live my life. I seemed to find that in the protestant books, etc and very little (none actually) at Mass on Sundays. I married my husband years later and told him he was a Catholic snob! I did! I didn't understand why I couldn't get helpful information from protestants too. Then I think what happened was, after a difficult time in my life, the Blessed Mother got hold of me! I started to see that reading and listening to Protestants - getting to heaven was a piece of cake. Reading books by the Saints or other Catholic books (such as the Final 4 Things -or whatever it's called) - not at all a piece of cake! I got rid of all my Protestant books - every one. I only read or listen to Catholic information now because now I get it! And Mary has me going to confession monthly. I never did that before. So, there is hope for the "bad Catholics" still in our churches. But I truly hate to hear that some of them are priests, CCD and RCIA instructors. Have mercy.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695028006158879231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-24009716125178666942012-04-23T20:37:40.669-07:002012-04-23T20:37:40.669-07:00ugagal, thanks!!
StarFireKK, true! I always say t...ugagal, thanks!!<br /><br />StarFireKK, true! I always say that what makes a Catholic is….baptism. Even if a Catholic should wind up in hell, they are still marked wit the sign of Christ, for all eternity. They had squandered the grace, of course, but still Catholic by virtue of their Baptism in the Church. <br /><br />"Whether or not you are a Catholic in good standing is another question altogether."<br /><br />True. In the ooooold days, one had a sense if one was a "good Catholic" (i.e., followed the teachings and practiced the faith) or a "bad Catholic" (basically did what they pleased), but they were still Catholic. <br /><br />I am not totally sure about the Church being able to "kick someone out" of Catholicism. I think excommunication is what you mean, but that only means that they are not able to receive the Sacraments. And even then, there is a remedy. Unless you have more information, and I am happy to be educated on that! I definitely am not an expert. :)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-32319123685945478392012-04-23T20:31:24.290-07:002012-04-23T20:31:24.290-07:00I think it is important to point out Catholics are...I think it is important to point out Catholics are Catholics. There are two ways to leave the Church: you formally leave (there is a process) or the Church kicks you out. But you don't stop being a Catholic just because you are non-practicing. The Church laws still apply to you. <br /><br />Whether or not you are a Catholic in good standing is another question altogether. <br /><br />So all the non-practicing, lapsed, liberal, cafeteria Catholics are in fact Catholics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-59681932699546680232012-04-23T19:27:58.405-07:002012-04-23T19:27:58.405-07:00Well stated, Leila! I love your blog. I think I&#...Well stated, Leila! I love your blog. I think I'm going to print this post and hand it out at my next family reunion which will be full of non-practicing Catholics that still call themselves Catholic, but that's a topic for another day....God bless you!!!ugagalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15307824487194539872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-48015639851717268742012-04-23T06:13:29.935-07:002012-04-23T06:13:29.935-07:00I am just a Catholic.. The rest are the ones who n...I am just a Catholic.. The rest are the ones who need a description..liberal, lapsed, cafeteria ..whatever.caitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824538078958999767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-86132398628870075332012-04-22T22:30:13.879-07:002012-04-22T22:30:13.879-07:00Jen, that's awesome!
And Danya, this is exact...Jen, that's awesome!<br /><br />And Danya, this is exactly right:<br /><br />"I think so often the latter just hang on hoping for the church to change - when in essence it's their hearts that need the changing."<br /><br />You have a way with saying things well and succinctly!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-8137860663629394982012-04-22T21:49:41.726-07:002012-04-22T21:49:41.726-07:00What I enjoy most about being an orthodox Catholic...What I enjoy most about being an orthodox Catholic now is that I am not in conflict with the religion I profess, whereas the non-orthodox members are. I think so often the latter just hang on hoping for the church to change - when in essence it's their hearts that need the changing. Noting that the (open) dissent is truly scandalous and a grave concern, I'd like to add that many of us used to be part of the more liberal sect and only by the Grace of God found our way to the center.Danya @ He Adopted Me Firsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00732437893256532188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-73749835195711680642012-04-22T21:19:00.288-07:002012-04-22T21:19:00.288-07:00Leila: I know about Eastern Rite Catholicism. :) ...Leila: I know about Eastern Rite Catholicism. :) I'm the guest post at "Fear Not Little Flock" tomorrow and priest's wife and I exchange Christmas cards. My husband and I did discuss that possibility when we jumped ship from the ELCA.jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02567286104645119169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-28370316932780900722012-04-22T18:38:02.957-07:002012-04-22T18:38:02.957-07:00Lena--thank you so much for caring. I am so much ...Lena--thank you so much for caring. I am so much better now, thanks be to God! I guess it's one of those experiences that ultimately is good for you if you keep the Faith!dachsiemamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375960819400000708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-75550770061951192182012-04-22T16:46:52.018-07:002012-04-22T16:46:52.018-07:00Barbara, well-said re: the Eastern Orthodox vs. Ca...Barbara, well-said re: the Eastern Orthodox vs. Catholic! And Jen, there are Eastern Rite Catholics, too, who keep the "mystery" if that's what you desire. My parents attend and Eastern Rite Catholic Church (Melkite).<br /><br />Barbara, you nailed it! Have you read my reversion story (up top)? I didn't go to confession from age 12 to about 26!!! And, my first confession was at age nine, two years AFTER my First Communion! So wrong.<br /><br />TCIE, I remember, ha ha! Barely! You were one of my inspirations. Still are. ;)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-7276774373844885852012-04-22T16:39:13.393-07:002012-04-22T16:39:13.393-07:00Hey, Leila... remember when you didn't have a ...Hey, Leila... remember when you didn't have a blog? ;)Amy @ This Cross I Embracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766112822487858490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-85433794459067861272012-04-22T16:14:37.549-07:002012-04-22T16:14:37.549-07:00Dachsiemama, I feel bad for you that you became ph...Dachsiemama, I feel bad for you that you became physically and mentally ill after joining the Church due to a crazy RCIA experience.Lenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09173616693453942166noreply@blogger.com