tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post1280877406420833020..comments2024-03-09T00:51:33.602-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: Rebutting Fr. Matt MaloneLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-56559710299149408972016-09-09T11:09:21.808-07:002016-09-09T11:09:21.808-07:00Meeeea,I hope to get over to that page today if po...Meeeea,I hope to get over to that page today if possible! And if not, I hope he does email me or hop on over here! Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-68881835579930555042016-09-08T19:15:08.357-07:002016-09-08T19:15:08.357-07:00He gets the logic of the comment he quoted (per hi...He gets the logic of the comment he quoted (per his analogy to a mission statement), so what, specifically, is he confused about? <br />Moral load? Moral application? Doctrine itself? Fr. Malone's rebuke? His counsel? Maybe just ask him.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-77954801732975526102016-09-08T17:35:19.667-07:002016-09-08T17:35:19.667-07:00Will someone please respond to a commenter at the ...Will someone please respond to a commenter at the America Mag site? Here is his post: (I do not feel equipped to answer him, but feel someone should, please!)<br />"Paul Lindblom | 9/6/2016 - 9:07am<br />As a person who has been "searching" for God for most of my life I read this article and it only adds to my confusion about religion. The following quote is a reply to a blog post that critiques this article.<br /><br />"The worst kind of heretic is the one who,<br />while teaching mostly true catholic doctrine,<br />adds a word of heresy,<br />like a drop of poison in a cup of water." - Pope Leo X111<br /><br />I find the sentiment of this to be true in the secular world such as a mission statement of a business. A slight change even just a word over time creates a new baseline so that when a new word is added the new baseline becomes the norm and again and again.<br />To me the following blog post is interesting in how it discusses the points of this article.<br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2016/09/rebutting-fr-malone.html<br />I acknowledge that I don't fully understand the arguments being made due to my lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith compared to most who post here, so my apologies in advance if questioning this was inappropriate."<br />Captain Dranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04330593370551304799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-36212711696167678662016-09-07T21:22:30.022-07:002016-09-07T21:22:30.022-07:00Unknown, but the Church is clear, as is the moral ...Unknown, but the Church is clear, as is the moral law: Not all killing is murder. All murder is wrong. But not all killing. For example, it is permissible to kill in self-defense (never using greater force to stop an aggressor than necessary). And it is permissible (and the purview of the state) to put the guilty to death, if there is no other way to keep the populace safe. So, unlike suicide or abortion or straight up murder of innocent people, there is no "absolute" with the death penalty. Should it be practically non-existent today? Yes, it should be, if we can safeguard people from criminals effectively. But it is not intrinsically evil, as are abortion and euthanasia.<br /><br />If it still troubles you, the best course is, as always, to trust the Church on the issue. We are young and finite in our knowledge. The Church is divine, her teachings protected, and she has the wisdom not only of the ages, but of the Holy Spirit Who guides her. Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-20237603580889208862016-09-07T14:48:11.350-07:002016-09-07T14:48:11.350-07:00Another informed blog, which accurately cites many...Another informed blog, which accurately cites many of the relevant doctrines; however I always find it painful, and particularly difficult to explain to non-Catholics (or indeed Catholics) a doctrinal stance which is absolute on abortion and euthanasia, but not the death penalty. As you say, it is not for us to decide on another's live and I wholeheartedly disagree with assigning death penalty to public policy. Its a challenging area, thanks for your piece.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07531214634638427468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-83133990835842519052016-09-07T10:01:43.544-07:002016-09-07T10:01:43.544-07:00SJ is becoming a warning label.SJ is becoming a warning label.Jarnor23https://www.blogger.com/profile/10717606434925224532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-13286927221508121762016-09-06T16:33:33.977-07:002016-09-06T16:33:33.977-07:00Thank you, Luis!
And, DNBA, I am going to look t...Thank you, Luis! <br /><br />And, DNBA, I am going to look that up! Thank you! (Feel free to link it here, by the way.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-15931471565830717212016-09-06T15:09:53.934-07:002016-09-06T15:09:53.934-07:00Excellent work again, Leila. It's getting alm...Excellent work again, Leila. It's getting almost boring reading the words of so many "Catholic" relativists. <br /><br />I attended Franciscan University's Defending The Faith conference this summer. They had a 2-hour on-stage debate, promoting both sides of the gay marriage/relativism debate. It was most interesting. I purchased copies for local parishes, especially for the young adults who are hearing "why are you against love?" as the argument for gay marriage. The debate lays out solidly the Catholic faith's reasoning in a most compelling way. The 15000 in attendance gave it a standing ovation. You can get a copy on the university's website. It is something most Catholics need to hear, to increase their understanding of their faith on these publicly debated issues.Do Not Be Anxioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607616214486933423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-63737819364888168592016-09-06T14:14:17.003-07:002016-09-06T14:14:17.003-07:00Hi Leila - I wanted to add how much my family and ...Hi Leila - I wanted to add how much my family and I appreciate your work and look forward to receiving your book. SF!Luis del Vallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07763517831845229219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-44572814970755384562016-09-06T14:12:32.440-07:002016-09-06T14:12:32.440-07:00Hi Leila - I'll respond here and overall, you ...Hi Leila - I'll respond here and overall, you nailed one of the current crises in the Church. Keep up the great work. SF!Luis del Vallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07763517831845229219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-90721722179357477522016-09-06T14:00:39.180-07:002016-09-06T14:00:39.180-07:00Thanks, Michelle!
It seems to me that the "I...Thanks, Michelle!<br /><br />It seems to me that the "I am personally opposed, but..." has morphed into, "I am personally opposed, but the Church says we can differ on how we want public policy handled." <br /><br />Troubling.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-38585812924759246562016-09-06T13:42:46.934-07:002016-09-06T13:42:46.934-07:00This morning, I sent this with a brief request for...This morning, I sent this with a brief request for consideration to Fr. Malone at America Media. We'll see. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09683674751076218614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-22619198182970900742016-09-06T13:34:35.713-07:002016-09-06T13:34:35.713-07:00I don't know. I hope someone has! It needs add...I don't know. I hope someone has! It needs addressing! Not that I expect him to change his mind. But my goodness, this is so <i>seemingly</i> disingenuous (I don't want to malign a priest's motives, so it's only how it appears to me).Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-54090725815146701412016-09-06T13:08:24.789-07:002016-09-06T13:08:24.789-07:00Leila- has anyone sent this to him? I do t know ...Leila- has anyone sent this to him? I do t know how to but would like to!Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18385125152722680152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-19143242264890226522016-09-06T12:31:01.146-07:002016-09-06T12:31:01.146-07:00Thank you, Rick. I would love to hear from Fr. Mal...Thank you, Rick. I would love to hear from Fr. Malone. I won't hold my breath, but wouldn't it be nice to have a dialogue about this?<br />Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-69017495215346981422016-09-06T12:14:56.803-07:002016-09-06T12:14:56.803-07:00Well stated argument. I am in total agreement with...Well stated argument. I am in total agreement with you. I am concerned that many will regard the two letters "SJ" after someone's name as a de facto imprimatur. For a Jesuit, Fr. Malone's statements are in rather obvious error to one who knows the Church's position on these. Bravo citing Cardinal Ratzinger. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252048256478815280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-89422269851535386162016-09-06T12:08:51.001-07:002016-09-06T12:08:51.001-07:00Nubby, that's one of my biggest frustrations w...Nubby, that's one of my biggest frustrations with the "other side". They cut and run. They never want to actually discuss. Very, very few of them. It's so weird, because I will be happy to discuss my views and Catholic teaching with anyone who asks. But not the other side. They run, they obfuscate, they call names. (Not in that order.)Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-10883877323781000182016-09-06T11:21:58.518-07:002016-09-06T11:21:58.518-07:00Nubby, YES!!!! It's all "show" and n...Nubby, YES!!!! It's all "show" and no "tell". It is like pulling teeth trying to engage anyone in <b>discussion</b>. Right now, I'm listening to Trent Horn & Timmerie Millington on their weekly show, "Hearts and Minds" where they DISCUSS and analyze current events in light of Church teaching. Ahh such a breath of fresh air! <br /><br />And I can't say too much, but Patrick Coffin (soon-to-be-former-host of Catholic Answers Live) is excitedly building a new media endeavor that sounds like it will also be hugely refreshing! <br /><br />And hence why I love Leila and her Bubble blog, we DISCUSS things here! Margohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456678968658724716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-62723339772508562922016-09-06T11:09:28.302-07:002016-09-06T11:09:28.302-07:00So, Fr. Malone is basically saying, "be nice ...So, Fr. Malone is basically saying, "be nice to pro-choicers"?<br /><br />We know that.<br />The real issue is: Shouldn't we be having a conversation about this? Shouldn't we be- maybe- tabling the reasons <i>why</i> people have protested Kaine's presence or his stance as a public figure, alongside the teachings- despite the rudeness of protesters? <br /><br />If people are protesting, why? If people aren't happy with a Catholic public figure, why not? This is the discussion we should be having. <br /><br />It's not enough to chastise, we need to discuss. <br /><br />I agree, Father, let's all be cordial. But this goes beyond etiquette. A public figure - who is Catholic- goes against the teachings of the Church. How about we table it all for a good discussion then?<br /><br />It's the same thing when a quarterback draws attention to himself by protesting standing for the National Anthem. Just <i>what is it you want to discuss</i>? It's not enough to "raises awareness" -- we're all <i>aware</i> you're mad. It's not enough to "protest". We need to discuss and go from there. <br /><br />Why are we never discussing, never setting a goal of hashing this out, never hitting on the reality of just what it's all about, and getting active about a solution?<br /><br />Just what it is that is not lining up, what is making me people mad? It's not just "protesting for awareness". Let's get concrete.<br /><br />I wish Fr. would've taken it this far, down this route, and not stopped short with a mere rebuke on how to treat pro-choice Catholics.Nubbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972118374098863290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53671403648481672692016-09-06T09:44:49.277-07:002016-09-06T09:44:49.277-07:00StarFireKK, you really hit on something here! It&#...StarFireKK, you really hit on something here! It's elitism. Plain and simple. The elites like Kaine and those who fawn on him and excuse his evil acts, are the elites. The protesters are the "unwashed masses" and can be mocked and ignored. Elitism, straight up. Thanks for bringing up that important point!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-12339498197773613552016-09-06T05:54:52.794-07:002016-09-06T05:54:52.794-07:00The protesters are normal, everyday Catholics. One...The protesters are normal, everyday Catholics. Ones who are obviously very frustrated by the lack of official response to these political Catholics who outright support laws and policy in contradiction to the Catholic Church's teachings. They will be forgotten in a matter of weeks.<br /><br />Kaine is running for vice president. He has numerous comments on record in support of abortion. He shows no sign he feels any shame or conflict with so publicly going against some of the Church's most fundamental beliefs. Kaine will remain in the public eye for months if not years.<br /><br />Way to go after the weak, brave Father Malone. <br /><br />This is why the Churches are emptying. This isn't leadership. This isn't guidance. This certainly isn't strength. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-8206158077154563662016-09-05T18:11:02.946-07:002016-09-05T18:11:02.946-07:00Marge, yes! That is exactly right. At least with o...Marge, yes! That is exactly right. At least with outright heresy, there is no pretense of following Catholic teaching.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76896487106958501162016-09-05T17:26:46.205-07:002016-09-05T17:26:46.205-07:00Recent blog post from Breadbox Letters:
"The ...Recent blog post from Breadbox Letters:<br />"The worst kind of heretic is the one who,<br />while teaching mostly true catholic doctrine, <br />adds a word of heresy,<br />like a drop of poison in a cup of water." - Pope Leo X111<br />Unfortunately, Fr. Malone is leading people astray with his 'drop(s)'.<br />Wonderful article, Leila.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13494025093050897698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-4422233147717169122016-09-05T10:14:03.382-07:002016-09-05T10:14:03.382-07:00Shannon, sometimes it takes a long time to write a...Shannon, sometimes it takes a long time to write a post. This one was ridiculously easy and quick. His points are so easily rebutted that it was almost effortless. That's what is just so baffling about his piece. More baffling is that some Catholic writers/bloggers who should know better liked and posted his piece. <br /><br />Nicole, I would be happy if someone did that.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53568144702343645672016-09-05T09:58:49.907-07:002016-09-05T09:58:49.907-07:00You really need to send this to Fr. Malone. You really need to send this to Fr. Malone. Nicole Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115556585264141565noreply@blogger.com