tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post1238276898042223135..comments2024-03-09T00:51:33.602-07:00Comments on Little Catholic Bubble: "Pro-lifers love the fetus, but they don't care about people after they're born!"Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comBlogger174125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-65621226532544643322013-07-10T03:38:53.341-07:002013-07-10T03:38:53.341-07:00Hello Leila! I found a thread on Catholic Answers,...Hello Leila! I found a thread on Catholic Answers, and it reminded me of this post! They too started to compile a list of charities in their area and found some impressive numbers on Forbes! <br />Here's the thread:<br />http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=398111&page=2Crystal Pintohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16992852313370475422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-26174165962913602802011-03-24T22:01:08.738-07:002011-03-24T22:01:08.738-07:00Huh? ummm....what? Chelsea, you're responding ...Huh? ummm....what? Chelsea, you're responding to Leila, not me. I made no such comments regarding maternity and in fact I agree with most of your points. I'm not a Republican, firstly because I'm Canadian, secondly because I tend more towards a politically moderate position...indeed I find ideologies as generally heretical. I take things issue by issue, examine it in the light of Catholic revelation, human rights, natural law and ethics, and then usually take a position. <br /><br />Abortion however, for me is 100% no. You don't solve social problems by killing babies, you don't solve personal problems by killing babies and you don't solve health problems by killing babies. If you knew me five years ago you would be amazed to hear me say that. I was a pro-choice feminist, practicing neo-pagan and a socialist. My conversion of heart on this subject is in more detail here.<br /><br />http://intimategeography.wordpress.com/my-conversion-story/#Love<br /><br />There are a lot of issues conflated in your points, so I will only mention one. Your take on over-consumption of resources. I'm not sure you've taken this into consideration, but its well known and well documented, that large families consume statistically less resources per person than smaller families. Simcha Fischer wrote a great piece on that a few years ago:<br /><br />http://www.faithandfamilylive.com/features/big_families_are_the_new_green1<br /><br />Think about it this way: Which subset of the North American population is consuming more resources? The family with two kids who travels to Disneyland every summer, buys new clothes every season and eats dinner in restaurants all the time, or the family of eight kids who can't travel very far, very often...because its prohibitively expensive to take eight kids anywhere, who hands-me down all of their clothes from kid to kid until they are torn up and used for dustrags, and who makes all recipes from scratch because its cheaper to do so. <br /><br />Large families, for the most part, are amazing stewards of resources partly because they have to be, there are more people for whom to divvy them up, and partly because the family is not treated as the "backdrop" of their lives but rather is their "central project" getting the bulk of their time, energy and efforts. <br /><br />Indeed, what amazes me about my husband's family is how they always support each other and share their resources with each other so that everyone always has more than enough. He spends hours before a visit looking for gifts for them and them for him. My husband hasn't had to go clothes shopping in eight years because between his mom, six sisters, oodles of nephews and three older children from his previous marriage each sending him a tie or a shirt for Christmas and birthdays he has more clothes then most movie stars.Barbarahttp://intimategeography.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-62611218422832468062011-03-24T18:45:53.304-07:002011-03-24T18:45:53.304-07:00Chelsea,
First, none of us here that call ourselv...Chelsea,<br /><br />First, none of us here that call ourselves pro-life Catholics will tell you that Republicans have everything right. We are first and foremost Catholic, and in being Catholic, we are indeed pro-life, not just anti-abortion. I believe you have us in a conservative box, which can't contain a pro-life Catholic. <br /><br />Additionally, I'm not sure you really do understand what conservatives actually believe, so please do respond to Leila's request to articulate it.<br /><br />Leila, you are so right about there being an overabundance, but corruption and evil keeping resources away from those who need it. I've had friends do mission work in countries like Haiti, for example, and there is great corruption that keeps the poor oppressed, even though the resources and additional aid from other countries and organizations are trying to get to those in need.Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-71026260361158796422011-03-24T18:10:31.380-07:002011-03-24T18:10:31.380-07:00I understand that our political stances will never...<i>I understand that our political stances will never align, which is why there isn't any need for me to regurgitate conservative rhetoric.</i><br /><br />Actually, I wish you would, just so that I know what you think we actually believe, and that it's something other than wanting grandma to eat dog food. I'm really serious about that, I hope you will answer.<br /><br />I truly am interested in your thoughts on this: If the wealth-producers in America stopped all their corporate evil, would poor in the Third World be lifted up and better off? If so, how? Practically speaking, how will that work? If you present me with something that works better than the system we have, I'll join you. Just show me how or where it's ever worked that by killing capitalism, people's lives and standard of living get better.<br /><br />Is there a model in the world that lifts up even those in poverty in a better way than the American system? Please, again, tell me the logistics of how that works.<br /><br />I'm not being sarcastic, I'm asking. <br /><br />If you have read any Catholic teaching, you would know that not only do the unborn not deserve their fate of being slaughtered, but neither does any innocent person or child in any war. So, why would you think that God looks benevolently on any death of an innocent at the hand of another human? He has forbidden it, from the womb to the end of life.<br /><br />As far as finite resources for the world: There is an OVER-ABUNDANCE of resources in this world, most of which have not been tapped, and much of which is being withheld from famine-stricken people by warlords and corrupt governments. The problem of famine is <i>not</i> a lack of abundance, but a plethora of <i>evil</i> and <i>sin</i>.<br /><br />Did you not look at that post where experts describe that we have more food than ever on this planet? Please, please, I beg you to check the facts.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-293041140216060542011-03-24T17:51:12.556-07:002011-03-24T17:51:12.556-07:00My name is Chelsea. I understand that our politica...My name is Chelsea. I understand that our political stances will never align, which is why there isn't any need for me to regurgitate conservative rhetoric. However, the one point I would like to continue to reinforce, is the death that American consumerism leads to, for which I gave a couple relevant and accurate examples.<br /><br />@JoAnna, I appreciate your concession that Republicanism is not always the answer, however, you sound incredibly ignorant when you say that world population is not a problem. Explain to me, if world population is not a problem, why there are finite resources and starving children in developing and under-developed countries?<br /><br />"According to the pro-life group, what matters most is not directly killing an innocent person."<br /><br />Are the villagers who have been slaughtered in the War On Terror not innocent? Do they deserve this fate? Was that our benevolent God's will?<br /><br />The more I consider the issue, the more I would like to say (as I did try to point out initially) that it has very little to do with politics, and very much to do with the sociopolitical pyramid. As AMERICANS (not Republicans, not Liberals, not Democrats), people across the world die every day to put silver spoons in our mouths, food on our plates, oil in our cars and diamonds on our fingers. NO ONE who lives in this fine country is above this impact, unless he or she is 100% self-sustaining, which I am doubtful if any of you are. A better term than "pro-life" would probably be "anti-abortion." Let's leave "life" out of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-43426279068171098472011-03-24T16:47:20.980-07:002011-03-24T16:47:20.980-07:00"For each new American child that is born, an..."For each new American child that is born, another across the world dies"<br /><br />Umm, what? So when my baby is born in August (or any baby that is born in the US today), there will be a child in an impoverished country that dies as a direct result? Are you actually saying that?<br /><br />"And yet, according to the pro-life group, what matters most is birthing every child that is conceived, making sure these children live long lives sucking resources from distant, impoverished children with their ribs showing."<br /><br />According to the pro-life group, what matters most is not directly killing an innocent person. <br /><br />A baby born here does not cause a child to die elsewhere, that is ludicrous. No innocent person (such as a child, born or unborn) should be purposefully and directly killed. It can not be justified, even with overpopulation propaganda. And mind you that there are many pro-life organizations (too many to count) that work overseas bringing food, shelter, clothing, education and healthcare to those impoverished countries, and millions of pro-lifers back them with their money.<br /><br />I really hope you respond to Leila's question re: conservative talking points, because you really came out hard slamming what you think conservatives believe.Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-964560055505822212011-03-24T16:17:29.538-07:002011-03-24T16:17:29.538-07:00Anonymous, could you give yourself a name?
Also, ...Anonymous, could you give yourself a name?<br /><br />Also, I would love to debate policy issues (because that's what you are talking about). I see that you have the liberal talking points down, but do you know the conservative talking points, too? Show me that you know the other side's view as well, so that I don't categorize you as someone who believes that conservatives "Want kids to die and grandma to eat dog food." <br /><br />Because if you read everything in the post, and the comments, and you still come up with that, then I don't see how you will ever think otherwise.<br /><br />Thanks!Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-16903324755309821042011-03-24T15:58:37.138-07:002011-03-24T15:58:37.138-07:00*headdesk* Anonymous, is it too much to ask that y...*headdesk* Anonymous, is it too much to ask that you READ THE THREAD before making comments like the above?<br /><br />I only vote Republican because I try to limit evil (and when faced with a choice of Dem vs Repub, one wants to directly kill babies and one doesn't -- so at lease with Republicans, the evil is somewhat limited), and to be honest I don't think I'll continue voting Republican because I'm sick of all the corruption and corporate kow-towing that I see going on in the GOP. I'm more and more inclined to vote Independent or write in a candidate.<br /><br />I did not vote for GWB. I disagreed with his decision to instigate the Iraq war and still do. I fully support lessening our dependence on foreign oil. <br /><br />Pro-life does not necessarily equal GOP, and you are wrong to assume such. <br /><br />You're also wrong about overpopulation. Check out the Ordered vs. Disordered comments, or www.pop.org to see how wrong you are.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-89878085603374709732011-03-24T15:48:27.637-07:002011-03-24T15:48:27.637-07:00(Continued from above)
Politics aside, the world ...(Continued from above)<br /><br />Politics aside, the world is too overpopulated today to sustain even half of the human life living on it. This is why there are starving families and children living in slums in Bangladesh and other under-developed countries. This is why under-developed countries exist at all. And not only is these people's quality of life at rock-bottom, thousands of them will not even live to see another day due to starvation, malnutrition, lack of shelter and disease. For each new American child that is born, another across the world dies, simply because the population of the globe has extended far beyond carrying capacity. The environment is not EQUIPPED to sustain this many Homo Sapiens. And yet, according to the pro-life group, what matters most is birthing every child that is conceived, making sure these children live long lives sucking resources from distant, impoverished children with their ribs showing. What are you doing about THOSE children, Barbara? How are you improving THEIR lives?<br />This is why the claim "I am pro-life" is dreadfully myopic and paradoxical. You must stop to think--how might bringing these children into the world negatively affect (or terminate) the lives of children, adults and animals elsewhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-53685320393050755852011-03-24T15:48:02.834-07:002011-03-24T15:48:02.834-07:00Actually, Barbara, I feel you failed to address th...Actually, Barbara, I feel you failed to address the root of the statement that "[pro-lifers] do not care about babies after they're born." In reality, this claim has little or nothing to do with maternity, and everything to do with external social and political implications. Let’s establish some background on this. If we're accepting the premise that a lot of pro-lifers are politically conservative Republicans, it's important to remember that “life” encompasses much more than fetuses, much more than babies, and much more than Americans. To get a sense of pro-lifers’ REAL sense of valuing life, I might ask the question, what is one of the primary political agendas of the Republican Party today (and in the past)?<br />For one, deregulation. Deregulation means less government provision, less Corporate liability, better business, lower wages for corporate pawns, and poorer working conditions, all for the desired result of more distribution, more capital gain, and more CONSUMPTION! Given the sorry state of many exploited, minimum-wage workers in deregulated companies, are the pro-lifers doing anything to promote and establish collective bargaining in the workplace? Are conservatives and Republicans gung-ho about right-to-work statutes that would vastly improve the lives of millions of poverty-stricken workers (and their BABIES) around the country? An economic advisor of President Eisenhower, a Republican, once famously stated that the primary goal of the United States was to promote consumption and further consumerism. But as we consume on this part of the globe, our consumption causes hundreds of thousands of deaths daily in other parts. Ever heard of blood diamonds? Tiffany and Co. is a prime example of a wholesome American business gone sour, now infamous for its exploitation of African diamond miners (many of whom are children). Yet, in 2009, the Republican National Committee dropped $1045 at Tiffany for office supplies, flaunting its consumerism in an almost vulgar manner. (Was Office Max closed?) Until every conservative in the country is engaging in workers' rights activism, fair trade, and local sustainability, I do not see how the words "pro" and "life" could possibly escape their lips.<br />Also on the Republican Capitalist agenda is securing foreign oil. And how many deaths do you think this has caused over the years? Let an example be our former Republican President, George W. Bush, who took no pause before going to war with the Middle East, simply to secure more precious devil water (WMDs did not exist in this region, so this is not a viable counter to that statement). Beyond the human lives that were lost, thousands of marine animals' lives continue to be compromised every day due to careless offshore drilling. Why is the drilling so careless? Republican deregulation permits it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-59295100044818360002011-03-24T13:32:01.195-07:002011-03-24T13:32:01.195-07:00Miss Gwen, I am wholly unfamiliar the Tewa beliefs...Miss Gwen, I am wholly unfamiliar the Tewa beliefs of Ohkay Owingeh. What were/are their values or virtues? I am honestly asking.<br /><br />You may or may not see this as relevant, but do you also consider it domineering to have a government tell Catholics that they must violate their religious beliefs and consciences or be fined, run out of business or jailed?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-66442117419471697652011-03-24T12:34:39.485-07:002011-03-24T12:34:39.485-07:00Miss Gwen, we believe that all varied moralities a...Miss Gwen, we believe that all varied moralities and worldviews have elements of truth. We just believe that Catholicism has the <i>fullness</i> of truth. <br /><br />Did some Catholic missionaries domineer native belief systems? Of course. Protestants too. Atheists have done this as well. It's human nature. But such behavior has never been sanctioned or condoned by the official teachings of the Church, as evidenced by the quote from the Catechism that I referenced above.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-50806269292865416282011-03-24T12:21:48.345-07:002011-03-24T12:21:48.345-07:00The idea that there is only one proper and suffici...The idea that there is only one proper and sufficient morality and that is the Christian worldview and code of morality is, I think a very naive presumption and a very dangerous one. It presupposes a superiority above other people and causes turmoil and even war. Certainly there are practices we may disagree with, such as Sati, which is why there are organizations like Amnesty International, advocating for human rights. <br /><br />Why is Catholicism so much better than the traditional Tewa beliefs of Ohkay Owingeh (which comes to mind b/c I was reading about traditional pottery making there), previously known as San Juan Pueblo?<br /><br />In my state in 1680, the Indigenous community managed to kick out/uproot Catholic priests living in their communities. Why? Because Catholic priests prohibited the expression of their traditional belief system, implemented severe physical repercussions for practicing traditional beliefs and ruined, burned or destroyed sacred objects central to Puebloan lifestyle/beliefs.<br />Of course Catholicism managed to make a comeback and a type of syncretic melding of beliefs occurred so that today some Pueblos ad individuals identify more as Catholic than traditional Tewa/Towa/Tiwa. On the other hand, many Pueblo people identify with their traditional beliefs and reject Catholicism. <br /><br />So that's why the idea of one Catholic world seems domineering to me. Of course, since my philosophy generally opposes that of everyone else here, I don't expect you to agree with me.<br /><br />-gwenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-4075832145357174172011-03-24T07:46:49.942-07:002011-03-24T07:46:49.942-07:00Thanks for clarifying. :)Thanks for clarifying. :)Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-42587109782311280242011-03-23T21:57:34.030-07:002011-03-23T21:57:34.030-07:00I meant to say "female circumcision", so...I meant to say "female circumcision", sorry was writing fast.Barbarahttp://intimategeography.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-64831689886671394952011-03-23T19:01:04.141-07:002011-03-23T19:01:04.141-07:00This is an aside:
Barbara-Did you just lump circu...This is an aside:<br /><br />Barbara-Did you just lump circumcision in with child-brides and polygamy? When did the Church officially condemn circumcision? I'm not trying to be snarky, just wanting some clarification on this.Meg @ True, Good and Beautifulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507070127764766394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-76353620426661924742011-03-22T22:31:44.181-07:002011-03-22T22:31:44.181-07:00Please understand Gwen, when I say that I wish eve...Please understand Gwen, when I say that I wish everyone were Catholic I am talking specifically about the system of beliefs and concepts that make up the Catholic worldview. I'm not talking about conquest or forced conversions of any kind. <br /><br />When I say it is a good "filter, for separating the good from the bad in most cultures" what I am referring to is the religion's tendency to be flexible enough for people to practice their own cultural traditions under the umbrella of the Catholic faith, and at the same time intolerant enough to reject those traditions which are offensive to human dignity (such as circumcision, or honor killing, child-brides or polygamy).<br /><br />I guess I'm just saying that I see Catholicism as a complete and very humane moral system, one that has developed over 2000 years spent pondering human nature, what works and what doesn't, what hurts and what helps. If everyone were Catholic, practicing Catholic principles...even if they were under a different name, I can't see the world as anything but better, having the right balance of commonness and diversity. <br /><br />Diversity is a great servant but a lousy master. It needs to be balanced by commonness, a common code which sets some boundaries which are agreed upon by everyone, otherwise we end up being hamstrung and forced to accept practices which oppress or harm others in the name of "tolerance". "Pedophilia" is now being defended in some courts as a "sexual orientation" because we've decided that "Diversity" is the highest good. <br /><br />http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-experts-tell-parliament/<br /><br />In addition, since we've already decided that any sexual ethic privileging heterosexual, marital unions is an offense to "diversity" we are now being pushed to open society to accepting polygamy as well as per... <br /><br />http://www.straight.com/article-361435/vancouver/polyamory-threatened-polygamy-case<br /> <br />So what's next? are "zoosexuals" going to begin claiming their right to legitimize their "consensual, loving, interspecies relationships" through human/animal marriage? Are we going to be hearing the sad tale of about Farmer John and his sheep "Betty" who have been living a secret life for years because of a terrible oppressive society steeped in "anthronormativity"?Barbarahttp://intimategeography.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-15856190715727717092011-03-22T14:47:39.846-07:002011-03-22T14:47:39.846-07:00I've been studying the world long enough to kn...<i>I've been studying the world long enough to know one ideology does not fit all which is why the idea of the world turning into a Catholic run universe makes me cringe. </i><br /><br />Miss Gwen, I really am interested in your study of the world's cultures. Which morality is more fair and loving than the Christian morality? Which is better for the dignity of women and children, and the oppessed? Could you explain by giving some examples of those moralities?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-708558764959236052011-03-22T14:44:43.671-07:002011-03-22T14:44:43.671-07:00Another ironic truth, considering the Catholic Chu...Another ironic truth, considering the Catholic Church's colonial imposition of her views on the world: <br /><br />http://www.acnuk.org/news.php/205/ukinternational-new-report-reveals-75-percent-of-religious-persecution-is-against-christians<br /><br /><b>75% of the world's persecution is against Christians.</b> Yes, you really need to be afraid of Christians, folks! Or wait, maybe Christians need to be afraid of the world. Which is it?Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-39526166941386765232011-03-22T14:38:14.857-07:002011-03-22T14:38:14.857-07:00"Freedom is exercised in relationships betwee..."Freedom is exercised in relationships between human beings. Every human person, created in the image of God, has the natural right to be recognized as a free and responsible being. All owe to each other this duty of respect. The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in moral and religious matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of the human person. This right must be recognized and protected by civil authority within the limits of the common good and public order." Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 1738<br /><br />Oh yes, that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Catholic Church wants to dominate and colonize the world...JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67640544978295303612011-03-22T14:36:05.702-07:002011-03-22T14:36:05.702-07:00Miss Gwen, we all human. We all are moral beings. ...Miss Gwen, we all human. We all are moral beings. What is the alternative to identifying good things vs. evil things (morally speaking), or right vs wrong, or ordered vs. disordered. What is your moral paradigm? Is there no good or evil acts, no right and wrong, no order or disorder? Help me understand your worldview and how it works. What is morality? <br /><br />I cannot think of a single culture of the world which would not thrive by practicing virtue instead of vice. Can you?<br /><br />Please help me see the beauty of your vision, because all I see is moral chaos when I envision moral "diversity". Please, I want to see what it looks like. Thanks.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-27084569097932406562011-03-22T14:30:04.981-07:002011-03-22T14:30:04.981-07:00Please, Miss Gwen, enlighten me.Please, Miss Gwen, enlighten me.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-41456423456688860132011-03-22T14:26:55.850-07:002011-03-22T14:26:55.850-07:00No Leila, you study the world from a divisive lens...No Leila, you study the world from a divisive lens of "good" versus "evil", "right" versus "wrong" and "ordered" versus "disordered." I've been studying the world long enough to know one ideology does not fit all which is why the idea of the world turning into a Catholic run universe makes me cringe. However, I think Barbara is talking in idealistic terms with the idea that we'd all just magically want to be Catholic or something.<br /><br />JoAnna, the Church most definitely imposes as well as proposes. Read up on your history of the world.<br /><br />-gwenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-67639803127960150432011-03-22T12:44:11.622-07:002011-03-22T12:44:11.622-07:00"So you are actually arguing FOR the dominati..."So you are actually arguing FOR the domination and colonization of the world by Catholicism?" <br /><br />Miss Gwen, who has proposed such a thing? Please repeat after me: The Church proposes, not imposes. This has been stated and restated frequently.<br /><br />"Or at least for Catholic doctrine to be used to determine right and wrong in ALL cultures?"<br /><br />Why is this so unbelievable, given that Catholics believe that Catholic doctrine is the source of moral truth?<br /><br />Wouldn't you want your own personal moral code to be used to determine right and wrong? If not, why do you ascribe to it? It seems rather strange to ascribe to a moral code that you don't believe is correct.JoAnna Wahlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09942928659520676271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-240447238522390484.post-45636411157364826842011-03-22T12:43:46.346-07:002011-03-22T12:43:46.346-07:00Yes, Gwen, it's "truly unbelievable"...Yes, Gwen, it's "truly unbelievable" that the virtues would be seen as good for all cultures and peoples. Shocking, really.<br /><br />And "domination and colonization of the world by Catholicism"? Seriously?That's what you heard? You really do study the world from the divisive lens of "race, class and gender", don't you? Victims and oppressors, only. How much more beautiful is the paradigm of truth, goodness and beauty?<br /><br />Sigh.Leila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.com